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  1. johnnyrockin johnnyrockin is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 6:51am)

    I saw a great thread a few weeks ago with an overall strategy which is close to mine however I am looking for a tune up.

    Would any of the 45 man grinders care to give me some of the pushbot hand/bb range guidelines they follow??

    I am looking especially at the calling ranges.. it seems I get around 6-8 bb's at the 75/150 level and the 100/200 levels and dont know what to do.. I know I want to be aggressive, be first and be fast but what are my calling ranges really if I cant be first. What about at 12-15 bb's at 100-200??

    Anybody have some guidelines they would like to share. I am a huge follower of Wickss and Acecatcher and am trying to play a similar style.
  2. stayhighlowe stayhighlowe is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 7:13am) in reply to johnnyrockin

    im to lazy right now to break it down exactly (someone else will or i will later) but give u the basic stratagy.

    your callin range really isnt that much wider then in a normal game, but with only 6-8bb you cant be folding pairs and ace high maybe decent king high vs the very active players that are openin worse.

    the reason your callin range really isnt that wide is bc u dont want to be callin in those games with those stacks you want to be the one shovin all in with 6-8bb, and you should be doing that with a very wide range of hands as soon as the antes kick in. when M=5 anything playable is prob a shove, obv exception.......

    12-15bb why callin with anything unless ur trappin or setminnin, i would just be playin my normal game with this stack.
  3. leftygrove leftygrove is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 1:57pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

    hi johnny.

    wickss and i have played around 1.4k hands together, and we play a similar style. tight early, try to stack off players with hands that play well multiway (pp's, suited connectors), isolate players with strong hands (jj+AQ+ pending position), etc... i'm sure you understand those points though.

    push/fold poker is kind of difficult to describe without just spewing examples and seeing if you get them correct. i will tell you this, though: players in low-stakes 45 man sng's have tight shove/call shove ranges. a lot of times, they should shove, or call a shove, and don't.

    that being said, you have to know how to abuse that. know which regulars are going to shove correctly, and which randoms are shoving very tight. likewise, adjust your shove/call range. it's usually best to shove light against a random who is calling tight, and call tight against a random who is shoving tight. in my opinion, if you play perfect ICM, you'll definitely make money in 6.50's, but you won't be making as much as you could if you understand how these players play, which is loose early, tight late. you want to play tight early, loose late in these things.

    good luck in these things!
  4. TiltinShoes TiltinShoes is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 2:46pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

    If you don't mind dealving into the issue somewhat intensely, I would recommend "Kill Everyone" has some great ranges, guidlines, and charts IMO.
  5. johnnyrockin johnnyrockin is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 4:21pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

    I am looking for a pure range guideline from 75/150 on based on your stack size, position.

    For instance I had 10 bb's at 100/200 and was in the cutoff and I shoved an Early Position raise from a stack similar to mine with A10x... was that wrong? he had Q7x and hit his flush of course but still is what I did wrong ? I called off at the same level against a guy with 7 bb's at 100/200+25 with 88 when I had about 10 bb's as well... was that wrong?

    I personally tend to be VERY VERY liberally overaggressive later if I see the blinds are going up soon and going to go thru me.

    Ace rags when I am in SB or BB facing a button or cutoff raise when you got -10 bb's... get it in?? What about if blinds are going up and you are going to be under 6 blinds and crippled and with a double up still crippled essentially... take it??
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  6. T Money T Money is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 4:57pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

    lol, wicksss, out of all the grinders you pick this one? Atleast pick a good sngicon.
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  7. leftygrove leftygrove is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 5:18pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

    i don't see what's wrong with picking wickss. i'm pretty sure i see this guy on like 30 tables sometimes, he maintains an roi of ~15% in the 6.50's. 6.5*.15*45 (if his avg takes 40 minutes) is $40+ an hour for playing SnG's. not bad.

    well, i don't think i'd ever shove on an EP raiser with A-10 at at 100/200 blind levels with 2k... but hey, he had q-7, so it worked out for you.

    with the ace-rags, it depends on the blind level... if there are antes, in my opinion, yeah, with 10 BB's i'll shove... no antes and it's probably not worth it...
  8. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 5:23pm) in reply to johnnyrockin

     
    Originally Posted by johnnyrockin View Post


    For instance I had 10 bb's at 100/200 and was in the cutoff and I shoved an Early Position raise from a stack similar to mine with A10x... was that wrong? he had Q7x and hit his flush of course but still is what I did wrong ? I called off at the same level against a guy with 7 bb's at 100/200+25 with 88 when I had about 10 bb's as well... was that wrong?

    Post some hand histories, you will get better response than from this paragraph.
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  9. meierp meierp is offline

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    Dec 8th, 2008 (12/8/2008 6:40pm) in reply to T Money

     
    Originally Posted by T Money View Post


    lol, wicksss, out of all the grinders you pick this one? Atleast pick a good sngicon.

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