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45 man turbos on stars....

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  1. wcu1usc1 wcu1usc1 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:21pm)

    anyone plays these and is it a good way to build your bankroll

    thanks
  2. Jaxsonguy Jaxsonguy is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:33pm) in reply to wcu1usc1

    play em occasionally....
    not a good way to build from a small BR IMO. The variance is too high.
    Suggest maybe 6-8 tbling them at the lower limits....get a goood sample size....evalutate....possibly repeat/possibly dont

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  3. sammyg11 sammyg11 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:34pm) in reply to wcu1usc1

    I used to 12 table the $1 ones and did well for a while. I also have a friend who did it pretty successfully at the $6 level and $11 level. So its definitely beatable as long as you know how to play push/fold when it gets down to about 15 people.
  4. canIsuxout canIsuxout is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 3:58pm) in reply to sammyg11

    yes they are very good for getting your br to where you want it the 1 and the 5s are played pretty much the same. but dont play the turbos play the reg ones i think they are better
  5. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:01pm) in reply to canIsuxout

    the turbos are crapshoots. I was trying to build a roll from these things and nearly went busto after a bad run. You really have to get lucky and win coin flips or get really good cards down the run in order to take these down.
  6. yomamanodros yomamanodros is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:46pm) in reply to wcu1usc1

    I really like them. They are very very soft. It is an ok way to build a bankroll but only if you are starting with around 30 buy ins. Just play shove fold once you are under about 15 big blinds.

    Just say this to yourself when you get down to about the last 18 people,

    "I will not steal if anyone has limped, and I will not call anything, ever"

    The stacks just are not deep enough to expect anyone who put money in to fold except the blinds. Always make people call you. When the blinds get to 200/400 ante 25 there should be very little post flop play so act accordingly. Never trap with big hands, just play everything fast.

    Once you get down to 9 left, all in is your friend, use it often until the bubble bursts. If you are the big stack at the bubble, no not call all ins from the shorties, let them live so the bubble keeps going. All the money is in the top 2 so always go for the win. If you are short stacked at the FT and have more than 30% of your money in on the BB you should call with just about any 2. Also if you are a big stack in the BB and a short stack goes all in for less than 3x the BB you should call with just about any two but you can be a little more selective here.

    Remember, you have to gamble late to win these.
  7. nudepkr nudepkr is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:54pm) in reply to yomamanodros

    ^^vnpost
  8. mbardsen mbardsen is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 4:56pm) in reply to yomamanodros

    "I will not steal if anyone has limped".

    Following this religiously is a major leak at these levels in my humble opinion.

    Know your limpers and act accordingly.

    .mbardsen
  9. amlove amlove is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:00pm) in reply to mbardsen

    ive been playing the 27 and 60 turbos recently and they are very soft imo. decent roi seems very attainable so i'd say its a good way to build a bankroll if you have enough starting buyins.
  10. yomamanodros yomamanodros is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:15pm) in reply to mbardsen

    You are correct mbardsen, it should be evaluated on a person to person basis. As a general guideline though I think it is a good idea. Most players at this level have no problem calling an all in with KJ or 77 if they have already limped, and I do not want to play against that with my A9 or 76s. I might be ahead, but it isn't by much and there are just so many free chips to be had that risking 40% of my stack just seems silly. It is read dependent though, as well as stack dependent. I would never ever steal from a short stack in this position unless it was the bubble, while a bigger stack will be less likely to want a confrontation. These tournaments are very quick and the dynamics change so fast that developing a good read on most players is tough, so unless you have a good reason to believe they will fold, it is generally better to avoid the situation.
  11. Cabo Cabo is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:22pm) in reply to amlove

    "Just say this to yourself when you get down to about the last 18 people,

    I will not call anything, ever"

    I disagree with this, the shorties are shoving desperate (a very wide range) and the players that pick off those weak shoves will be chipping up.
  12. DOITDEALER DOITDEALER is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:31pm) in reply to yomamanodros

    this was how i got started, used to play these all the time had about a 45% ROI in the 6.50 45 mans i think... i'll coach you for 3 days and get 20% ur profit after 1 month and call it a day
  13. yomamanodros yomamanodros is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 5:33pm) in reply to Cabo

    Obviously when a shorty moves in and you have a decent hand you call. You should also call with monster hands. I am talking more about risking a decent portion of your chips calling a raise from another stack. Why risk a decent portion of your chips when there are so many opportunities to pick up chips while maintaining fold equity. Any decent sized continuation bet after the flop pot will pot commit the original raiser. The average M is very low in the last two tables in these things. Postflop play pretty much disappears.
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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 6:21pm) in reply to wcu1usc1

    I pretty much exclusively played the $12 45 player games. Yes variance can be a whore in the games but I made a good go at it. I'm not a member of sharkscope so I can't verify how much I've won on the $12 45 player games but I would guess I've played around 3000 ($12 45 player) games with about $8000 profit. My current sharkscope stats are as followed...
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    I would definately play these if you're playing with an easy replacable bankroll. If you're playing a bankroll that you're in deep **** if you lose, I wouldn't play these until you got a $300-$400 bankroll and quit (play a lower buyin game, possibly $6.50's or $3.40's) if you went down to $200-150. I believe that if you are good enough, the amount of money you win will beat any amount of money you lose due to variance.
  15. Denty Denty is offline

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    Aug 14th, 2007 (8/14/2007 7:18pm) in reply to wcu1usc1

    dont play these if you play scared. you gotta steal/resteal blinds with atrocious hands to be able to comfortably steamroll the tournament. every chip matters in these since the blinds will go up so fast for a much longer time compared to a one table sng. you gotta be willing to shove 9 high against a late position raiser in order to pick up an extra 1000-2000 chips. in the 45 man turbos, the name of the game is Equity & Position, not Value & Patience.
     
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