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5/10 NL - QQ from BB

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  1. trplthrt trplthrt is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 10:58pm)

    How do you play it? Push, or call and move on flop if no A or K? I don't think muck is an option. (I will post rest of the hand afterwards).

    pokerstars Game #4371334019: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2006/03/21 - 23:37:35 (ET)
    Table 'Quetzalcoatl' Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: WhatUWish4 ($1131 in chips)
    Seat 2: The Liar ($1069 in chips)
    Seat 3: casinocasino ($1398 in chips)
    Seat 4: MilesTrane ($2819.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: trplthrt ($922 in chips)
    Seat 6: solid2 ($939.75 in chips)
    Seat 8: GSteven ($593.50 in chips)
    MilesTrane: posts small blind $5
    trplthrt: posts big blind $10
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to trplthrt [Qh Qc]
    solid2: folds
    GSteven: folds
    WhatUWish4: folds
    The Liar: folds
    casinocasino: folds
    MilesTrane: raises $30 to $40
    EPiPeN11 is connected
    EPiPeN11 has returned
    trplthrt: raises $110 to $150
    MilesTrane: raises $350 to $500

    < continuation of hand below... scroll past if do not want to read >

    *******

    trplthrt: raises $422 to $922 and is all-in
    MilesTrane: calls $422
    *** FLOP *** [8s 5c Tc]
    *** TURN *** [8s 5c Tc] [Kh]
    *** RIVER *** [8s 5c Tc Kh] [Ts]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MilesTrane: shows [Kc Ah] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
    trplthrt: mucks hand
    MilesTrane collected $1841 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $1844 | Rake $3
    Board [8s 5c Tc Kh Ts]
    Seat 1: WhatUWish4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: The Liar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: casinocasino (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: MilesTrane (small blind) showed [Kc Ah] and won ($1841) with two pair, Kings and Tens
    Seat 5: trplthrt (big blind) mucked [Qh Qc]
    Seat 6: solid2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: GSteven folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    I felt that there was a > 50% chance he did not have KK or AA. I could not muck.

    SIGH - read was right, but interesting on a call/shove the pot is mine.
  2. Hodge05 Hodge05 is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:02pm) in reply to trplthrt

    i totally disagree with you by saying muck is not an option. mucking in my opinion right there is by far the best option. AT worst he has AK. KK and AA are extremely likely possibilities. Think of the hands he would do that with that you beat. AJ? AQ? jj? i dont think so. -ev
  3. NutzInMyHand NutzInMyHand is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:03pm) in reply to trplthrt

    I think muck is your only option.. doubt he has JJ, which leaves him w/ AA/KK/AK... unless he is some super aggro player

    edit: I didn't realize this was SB v BB play... it makes it a much much tougher fold, I'm not sure what i would do here.
  4. Octan3_ipwnsippin Octan3_ipwnsippin is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:03pm) in reply to Hodge05

    do you have odds to draw to a set? no, lay it down
  5. ZeeDustin ZeeDustin is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:05pm) in reply to NutzInMyHand

    whats your table image and whats his?
  6. trplthrt trplthrt is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:06pm) in reply to ZeeDustin

    I am prob tight aggressive, and he is about same. Although the game in the blinds has always forced looser action between the players.
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  7. CASHRUS CASHRUS is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:07pm) in reply to NutzInMyHand

    I would play the hand mainly since miles recently won a boatload of cash and could be pushing with a lesser hand.

    GO ALL IN
    against any other player, muck
     
  8. ActionJeff ActionJeff is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:09pm) in reply to ZeeDustin

    blind on blind. he raised 4x, and I KNOW that this guy is an overaggresive tourney donkey.

    Get it in preflop.

    fyi, I would reraise a little smaller pre, you overbet it. 120 or 140 max should do it.
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  9. djinoc djinoc is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:10pm) in reply to trplthrt

    cash game? smooth call, see the flop. tourney? shove
  10. ZeeDustin ZeeDustin is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:11pm) in reply to CASHRUS

    I think you have to put him on a wider range of hands, other than AA, KK, or AK. It is very likely he has 1010 or JJ or AQ. He has the chips to muscle you. I would not fold this hand, probably would push, but then again I am not a 5/10 NL cash player.
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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:13pm) in reply to djinoc

    post what happened so I can get to bed :)
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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:13pm) in reply to djinoc

    his raise is half of the dudes stack. its either all in or fold in this situation and the right move in the long run is to fold that hand unless you know that he is a complete donk. the hands that you are beating aj aq and jj. it is unlikely that someone would raise and reraise with those hands. aa kk or ak. most likely
  13. trplthrt trplthrt is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:14pm) in reply to djinoc

    CASHRUS - his recent winning definitely had impact on my read

    ActionJeff - I wanted to sell an overbet, I honestly was looking for a loose call here

    djinoc - I agree (this was a cash game)

    Will post results soon...

    -trplthrt
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  14. RandyLerch RandyLerch is offline

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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:18pm) in reply to trplthrt

    You guys who posted definate fold are missing the most important part of the hand. ITS BLIND VS BLIND. If it was a UTG raiser I would agree with folding but blind vs blind I'm all in.

    A.J.
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    Mar 21st, 2006 (3/21/2006 11:26pm) in reply to trplthrt

    sorry, I wasnt clear. I meant I would have smooth called the 40. since you re-raised and got it shoved back in your face, I probably would be feeling like I had to fold, esp. OOP.
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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 12:43am) in reply to trplthrt

    I might consider laying Kings down here... I really can't rationalize calling that much with any hand other than Aces. Heck, even with aces, if it's a scary flop (2 kings, 3 of one suit, etc) I might lay it down to another $400 bet.

    He's a donkey's donkey for being that agressive with A-K, but even with you holding Qs, it's a coinflip. You will win more money over time if you push here every time this situation comes up, but the varience of the situation can really kill you over the short-term. Honestly, I can only put a person on one hand when they bet like that pre-flop... and that's aces.

    I fold, and then throw my computer across the room when he shows the A-K.
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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 12:57am) in reply to NoBlackAces

    Folding KK pre flop is a -ev decision.

    ESPECIALLY in a blind vs. blind situation
  18. LesW LesW is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 1:08am) in reply to AceRunner

    You lost a coin flip not bad. You definitely should have not tried a pot commiting reraise into him given both your table images/styles,

    I agree with Jeff I would have done another minimum preflop reraise to let him know my strength and to try to push him to show his also comes off as less desperate esp from a small stack. Another $1k in your stack and I think you could get him to lay down here, dunno just thinking, but he was probabably shocked you flipped over queens thinking he had you.
  19. mahgnislaw mahgnislaw is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 1:37am) in reply to LesW

    Tuff one: Assuming your using good Bankroll mgt, I think after the reraise he made for $500 you have to put him on a pretty small range of hands.(i would be thinking coin flip at absoulte best) I actually would fold here. I mean it's a cash game and it's only 1 hand. Obvs. the stop and go would have worked here but, I think folding is the best opition givin the info you had. This hand played out like a mtt not a cash game. Keep your head up you will get it back and good luck
  20. andmoney andmoney is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 2:24am) in reply to mahgnislaw

    would of folded preflop based on that hh alone smooth calling the first betin position isnt a bad play either, it doesnt make much sense to me to get 1000 bucks in preflop in a 5-10 no limit game with queens
  21. trplthrt trplthrt is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 6:39am) in reply to andmoney

    I really don't think folding is an option here. Although, what I find the most interesting is if I know HE wont fold to my reraise, and I am certain he has a hand such as AK, I think calling and shoving may be the better play overall.

    For all of you who said to fold, lets change the scenario a little bit - do you still feel the same?

    The game is 1/2 NL...

    Villain raises to 8
    Hero raises to 24
    Villain raises to 100

    Your next move?
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