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  1. shipitthisway shipitthisway is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:25pm)

    This is a typical in-between hand. I made my flush, but the boat possibility is out there. I'm sure my opponent has at least trips. and has been playing rather tight, especially on the river. A ten is a pretty common card to be in a full house hand. My question is this : Do you 1) Fold, 2) Call, or 3) Put him all-in for his last $9k (approx.)???

    Hand #30823728-3998 at Ann Arbor (No Limit Hold'em)
    Powered by UltimateBet
    Started at 09/Apr/06 18:13:52

    KOMIJENDO is at seat 0 with $11475.
    ShipItThisWay is at seat 3 with $13785.
    The button is at seat 3.

    ShipItThisWay posts the small blind of $50.
    KOMIJENDO posts the big blind of $100.

    KOMIJENDO: -- --
    ShipItThisWay: 9h 8h

    Pre-flop:

    ShipItThisWay raises to $300. KOMIJENDO calls.

    Flop (board: 5h Th 3d):

    KOMIJENDO checks. ShipItThisWay checks.

    Turn (board: 5h Th 3d Ts):

    KOMIJENDO bets $500. ShipItThisWay calls.

    River (board: 5h Th 3d Ts Qh):

    KOMIJENDO bets $1500 ....
     
  2. randomfrost randomfrost is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:27pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    4) min raise
  3. stlouis6 stlouis6 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:27pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    i cant imagine anything but a call here really. But i bet he pushes, gets a call by trip 10s and explains how great he is.
     
  4. Winner Winner is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:28pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    Push because if he hit his boat he might of checked wanting you to bet or bet like 400
  5. Nate Jizzle Nate Jizzle is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:29pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    call...any hand he would call your allin with would be better than what you have, from what you know about him...I dont think folding is a horrible option for how little is in the pot, I would pay him off here though if he has me beat...

    Nate
     
  6. stlouis6 stlouis6 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:31pm) in reply to Winner

    lol @ winner. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
     
  7. mr. menlo mr. menlo is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:31pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    either push or smooth call, unless he has been playing incredibly tight i dont think folding is an option, especially heads-up. And min-raising is definetly not an option b/c if he shoves then you are prolly screwed, but might justify a call b/c of all the money out there. I would prolly lean towards a call, also cuz your flush isnt that high.
  8. scarface_79 scarface_79 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:31pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    when in doubt, push all-in to see where your at
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  9. mr. menlo mr. menlo is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:33pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    btw shipit you should do these more often, great idea if you thought of it, makes for very interesting discussion.
  10. JPitt09 JPitt09 is offline Royals Fan, lol

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:36pm) in reply to mr. menlo

    i don't know what i would do, but my money is on you pushing.
  11. Wretchy Wretchy is offline whatslogic

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:36pm) in reply to mr. menlo

    call is your play. higher flush beats you, quads, full house.
     
  12. gbmantis gbmantis is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:39pm) in reply to Wretchy

    push is suicide.

    fold is stupid
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  13. Azone Azone is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:41pm) in reply to mr. menlo

    He is basically making a pot bet. There is 3k in the pot after his bet. You have a low flush and there is a possiblity of a higher flush and a full house on the table.

    1500 for 3K in pot makes it seem like he wants you to call, and you should want to! But to push or go over the top. Only gonna get called or ai from someone who has you beat.

    To me there is very little logic to pushing or folding. Call and play on!
  14. Cmoney3 Cmoney3 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:42pm) in reply to Nate Jizzle

    push, maximize your profit, you have the best hand more times than not here
  15. Sooted57 Sooted57 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:44pm) in reply to Azone

    call is the only option
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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:45pm) in reply to Azone

    obv call
  17. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:52pm) in reply to Sooted57

    fold -- no way.

    any kind of raise: is it bound to be a +ev move? I hardly imagine it will be. how many hands could he have that call your raise that you have beat? trips (prob? I dunno - you did say this guy is tight... a smaller flush, pretty damn unlikely) how many better hands does he fold? again not many -- maybe a slightly larger flush? he is tight, so maybe?

    call = reasonable option.

    --tc
  18. wizardplow wizardplow is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 6:56pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    Definitly just a call. The big bet on the river probably means that he's either bluffing or he's got you beat, there's no point in raising because you don't want to have to call his all in with just a 9 high flush. There's a decent chance he might have trips and no FH but it's just way too risky. I've seen a lot of players, myself include raise on the river here, only to be smoked by a FH.

    Another question for shipit is do you think this is definitly an auto reraise if there were no pair on board and same betting sequence? I would probably reraise, but I'd be really pissed to see him come over the top in that scenario.
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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:00pm) in reply to mudwhistle

    CALL, what worse hands will he pay a raise off with?
     
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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:03pm) in reply to wizardplow

    raise is out of the question IMO

    it is fold or call. I imagine I would call, especially since there is a higher than normal chance of him bluffing because he would expect you to normally bet the flop with a flush draw, and therefore probably doensn't think that you have a flush.

    I feel kind of off/uncertain in this analysis, in the past I have had an idea of the game state and what both players are doing, but I don't really know how either of you are playing so I am kind of just pulling this out of my ass. I always like my info and reads.
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  21. shipitthisway shipitthisway is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:04pm) in reply to wizardplow

    Well I did what most of you said you would do as well. I think there is a chance he would have called all-in, and very likely a raise to 4k or so. I felt like his bet was big enough.

    ShipItThisWay calls.

    Showdown:

    KOMIJENDO shows Tc Ks.
    KOMIJENDO has Tc Ks Th Ts Qh: three tens.
    ShipItThisWay shows 9h 8h.
    ShipItThisWay has 9h 8h 5h Th Qh: flush, queen high.

    Hand #30823728-3998 Summary:

    $.50 is raked from a pot of $4600.
    ShipItThisWay wins $4599.50 with flush, queen high.
     
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  22. wizardplow wizardplow is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:10pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    Interesting. He definitly did not put you on a flush. A reraise definitly would have put him in a very tough spot, but I think most solid players would be able to get away from trips there, although he could make a frustration call. Regardless, I still think you made the right play here. He simply couldn't put you on a hand at all and figured he was value betting his trips.
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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:12pm) in reply to wizardplow

    you both check which puts you both on draws or him at-ak possible flsh same as you.
    the river is a pot bet 1500 for 1600 pot so coin flip he has aq spikes q or your dominated.
    call at best but not raise unless you are willing to push all in if he re pops
  24. ShortStack3 ShortStack3 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:14pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    Personally this is what i'd do...

    I'd put him on trip 10s and push him all in...
    If you lose type "bs rigged" and leave the table and withdrawl all of your money off the site and vow never to play online poker again.
    Then go to pocketfives.com and read some inspiring posts and come to your senses that online poker isn't rigged and you just took a bad beat.
    Redeposit the next day and run bad for the next 2 months because of the cash out curse.

    Thats just me though, probably the reason i'm not playing 50-100 no limit also.
  25. mudwhistle mudwhistle is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:16pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    lol? goofball
  26. supermoves supermoves is offline invented poker

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:17pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    I dont see any reason to do anything but call here? If you put him in, he certainly isnt folding the boat, and hes probably not folding the higher flush either. Youre getting 2:1 on the call and you seem to think he has a 10. Well, Q-10 is the only hand you could be worried about because he sure as hell isnt playing T-3 or T-5. I just call there and probably win the pot. Because you call his $500 bet on the turn with nowhere NEAR the odds to hit your flush, he probably doesnt think the heart helped you and thinks his T is best.

    *edit* just read the rest of the post..guess I was right :-)
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  27. kinghill kinghill is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 7:50pm) in reply to shipitthisway

    Other scenarios

    - If you're KOMIJENDO and hit a QT boat on the river, what do you do?

    - If KOM bets $3500 on the river, what do you do with 98hh?
  28. 55Allin55 55Allin55 is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 8:02pm) in reply to kinghill

    shipit i have a ?.....if you only play 1 table at a time why do you feel the need to sit at all 3 50-100 tables?........
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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 8:06pm) in reply to 55Allin55

    maybe so he could switch quickly if another table gets juicier?
  30. servitup servitup is offline

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    Apr 9th, 2006 (4/9/2006 9:07pm) in reply to ShortStack3

    the cashout curse is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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