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$50k pot between YellowSub and Gamble4You, who played it worse?

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  1. yellowsub yellowsub is offline dive dive dive

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 7:39pm)

    Gamble4You is at seat 0 with $30952.
    18quills is at seat 1 with $4879.
    YelloSub86 is at seat 2 with $24155.
    safebox is at seat 5 with $13530.
    The button is at seat 0.

    18quills posts the small blind of $50.
    YelloSub86 posts the big blind of $100.

    Gamble4You: -- --
    18quills: -- --
    YelloSub86: Jh Kc
    safebox: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    safebox folds. Gamble4You raises to $350. 18quills
    folds. YelloSub86 re-raises to $1100. Gamble4You
    re-raises to $3350. YelloSub86 calls.

    Flop (board: 8d 2c Jd):

    YelloSub86 checks. Gamble4You bets $5000.
    YelloSub86 raises to $10000. Gamble4You goes all-in
    for $27602. YelloSub86 goes all-in for $20805.
    Gamble4You is returned $6797 (uncalled).

    Turn (board: 8d 2c Jd 7h):

    (no action in this round)

    River (board: 8d 2c Jd 7h 5c):

    (no action in this round)

    Showdown:

    Gamble4You shows Td Js.
    Gamble4You has Td Js 8d Jd 7h: a pair of jacks.
    YelloSub86 shows Jh Kc.
    YelloSub86 has Jh Kc 8d Jd 7h: a pair of jacks, king/eight kickers.

    Hand #30429498-5802 Summary:

    YelloSub86 wins $48358 with a pair of jacks.

    To give a thourough hand analysis would be embarassing, because i really dunno what i was thinking. Gamble4You (B Buddy on ps) was playing hyper agressive, potting preflop 35% of hands. Thoughts on the hand would be appreciated. -sub
     
  2. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 7:48pm) in reply to yellowsub

    I can't say I would call here, because the re-raise preflop would have made me think he was very strong. Great call, obviously you had a great read on him, but I wonder what you put him on preflop? Had he been going over the top of raises or had he been playing aggressively in position?
  3. ActionJeff ActionJeff is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 7:51pm) in reply to jtown1010

    before anyone responds, realize that

    Gamble4You= BBuddy

    guy makes Sammy Farha seem like a TAG player.
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  4. yellowsub yellowsub is offline dive dive dive

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:00pm) in reply to jtown1010

    all around aggro
     
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  5. Batera Batera is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:09pm) in reply to yellowsub

    I have played a lot with him on 10/20NL on party. He is pretty crazy I agree, but honestly I find it very difficult to call the multiple reraises unless I have a definite read. The only thing I don't understand is why the minimum reraise on the flop? Personally I would like to find more favorable positions than with KJ. However, seems like you read was correct and you were rewarded.
     
  6. yellowsub yellowsub is offline dive dive dive

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:18pm) in reply to Batera

    would you fold to his 5k bet? or just not call the 3300 preflop?
     
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  7. Batera Batera is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:20pm) in reply to yellowsub

    for me it's very difficult to call the 3300 preflop reraise, however if I have called and I have made a read I definitely would not only call the 5000 on the flop but I would reraise significantly.
     
  8. claudenm claudenm is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:30pm) in reply to Batera

    It really depends if I recently won 900,000 Euro. If I recently did, I call, otherwise I probably fold.
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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 8:55pm) in reply to yellowsub

    you cant look into it as if u were calling with that much money, it isnt as much for them is it is for us. look at it as lower limits with a play who riases pot 35 percent of the time. than i play it that way.. NH
  10. mahgnislaw mahgnislaw is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 9:54pm) in reply to bojazi

    with your bankroll I'm not foldind to any bets for atleast the next 6 months.
  11. PokerPete PokerPete is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 10:22pm) in reply to mahgnislaw

    yellowsub wont have this bankroll for 6 months!!
  12. Skawty88 Skawty88 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 10:38pm) in reply to yellowsub

    I think preflop is where the most important decision is. If u call the extra $3300 preflop with KJ, then when the flop comes J high i think u gotta go with it. By calling the reraise preflop with KJ that is saying that you believe your hand is good if you flop something. There is no way with that preflop action that when that flop comes and he leads out that u can get away from top pair. So I would either fold to his reraise preflop or fully commit if you hit your hand like u did. NH SIR
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  13. Cyclone15 Cyclone15 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 10:45pm) in reply to PokerPete

    Reasons for the reraise preflop? I know he's raising a lot of hands so your hand figures to be good, but with you in the bb and you both being deep, he can 3-bet with a fairly wide range, right? Then you're on the defensive and out of position, only this time with the pot at 4k rather than 800.

    Was the minraise made to induce a bluff? I assume that you made it with the intention of putting in the rest of the money on the turn or calling if he pushed. I'm also wondering what he thought you had that he beat when he shoved, or at least what he thought he could push you off of.
  14. Cyclone15 Cyclone15 is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 10:50pm) in reply to Skawty88

    I think that folding to the rereraise preflop is just asking to get exploited by a player as nuts as BBuddy.

    I personally think the question is not whether you call the 3300 or not, it's whether you should raise the opening 350 to 1100 (or whatever other amount). I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that I'm wrong, so why am I wrong?
  15. tdomeski tdomeski is offline godfather

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 11:12pm) in reply to yellowsub

    you both played your hands poorly...pf is whatever as it has to be done from time to time in these games from both sides...vs B Buddy I would never raise this flop I would let him just bluff off his stack to me...once you min raise B Buddy should have folded his hand...really though you should have folded to his push here about 85% of the time...he turned his hand into a bluff pretty quickly seems kind of stupid especially when you aren't folding to his push with 90% of your hand range the way the hand was played...nice call though
     
  16. WonderCall WonderCall is offline

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    Mar 22nd, 2006 (3/22/2006 11:49pm) in reply to tdomeski

    I wonder what they would think at the 2+2 high stakes forum.
  17. IMAFISH4U IMAFISH4U is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2006 (3/23/2006 1:37am) in reply to WonderCall

    yellow sub i dont know if you played this high of stakes before but you did a great job in Europe and im sure you will have continued success. But play smart honestly i dont think you hsould be regularly in that big of a game you have plenty of time to work your way up. I know you can live off makeing 5k a month cash games can be the devil. be carefull.

    GL rest the way.
  18. PokerPete PokerPete is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2006 (3/23/2006 2:07am) in reply to IMAFISH4U

    i used to see him grinding away in the mid limits and now he wins a big tourney and jumps straight to the biggest game on the internet. he was in the 300/600 game earlier on ub as well. 1mil isnt hard to lose at those limits against some of the best players in the world.
  19. IMAFISH4U IMAFISH4U is offline

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    Mar 23rd, 2006 (3/23/2006 2:10am) in reply to PokerPete

    Also yellow I hope you already paid those damn taxes. I would pay them right now then write off a bunch of loses in april and wait for your nice tax return check. This way that money is locked away and you can adjust to how your first year as a millinoaire went good or bad.
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