OK so its limp/limp & Bad raises 5.5x (3 + 2 for the limpers + a taste for show) - that looks standard - he says he has a hand. ?jfocus then repops it ~3.64*Bad's bet - that doesn't look out of line for a reraise but it's kind of poor bet sizing due to the stack sizes. He's ends up close to commited as Bad's push would be offering a 40 call into a 60+ pot, getting paid to be a 3:2 dog but what a sick spot - he has to call off if he thinks he is racing NICE tourny play but utter sickness for a cash game.

In ?jfocus's spot I would have raised a bit more to say I'm commited and give an easy call on a push or a bit less to induce a push or give an easy fold. I really hate giving myself hard choices when I can so easily avoid it.

Now your spot. jfocus looks to be commited, and Bad is still in the hand so you have to count it that FE isn't a real factor. One or both of them will play and both have 50 so just take that if you play you'll be going to the river with 50 in. That at least make your choice of action easy - raise to 50 or fold :)

That said I think fold is the correct play and here's why:

This is a cash game & you have nice stack & loads of time to find good spots, the blinds won't come eat you alive. Yea AK is a premium hand and sometimes you'll get called all in by AQ or less but not enough. Given the action, if you play you are going to showdown with more than 1/3 of your stack in as a small dog maybe as a big dog. You can find better spots.

If it looked like you could have some FE to a push I would say raise because the FE would offest being on the short end of the race. I just think jfocus is commited here.

my 2 cents

 

Originally Posted by AFink93

Looks like the easiest fold ever.

True story but this forum is about helping with the why :)

Yeah in retrospect seems like a fold, maybe even an easy one but sigh.

Fink, you didn't talk about 4betting whats your rationale for ruling it out?

Not sure what you think is bad about Badthebeater's raise preflop that would make jfocus think he's weak.

I fold with no reads / stats and next to nothing invested.....might be a bit nitty but meh.

 

Originally Posted by DutchCourage

I think he did - any 4 bet would commit you to the pot given the stack sizes if I'm not mistaken.

Yep any 4 bet would commit you & given the action I think jfocus is commited. If you are ready to race off more than 1/3 of your stack you can move in. This is a cash game and you can find better spots so just fold.

 

Originally Posted by LordPye

Are people forgetting this is a 6-Max table? Shorthanded I'm jamming this to try and induce some silly calls with hands like AQ here (which can certainly be in the villains' range). I don't think we are up against by KK or AA nearly enough to release this hand. Full table would be a bit closer of a decision, but I still think this is jam sammich.

Ive played maybe 20 hands of 6 Max Cash in my life. So Maybe your right. Shoving I guess isnt horrendous.. But ive noticed in general FTP cash players especially at 50NL are nittier than the standard cash players. I dont use HUD.. So in general in this spot with no reads I would fold pretty easily.. I would look for other info. Like maybe if any of the villans have an Iron Man Medal or something. I dont know about 6 max but in general most players dont 3 and 4 bet light at 50NL.. They are much more exploitable post flop.

I just spent a couple of weeks watching videos on StoxPoker. Seems to me most of the instructors would have shoved and worried later about AA or KK. "Deep stacks" are exactly the reason you want to get your chips in with AK, right??

What's jfocus's 3-bet%? Have you seen him 3-bet fold? This is totally dependent on what you think jfocus's 3 bet range is, but unless he never 3 bets I don't see why it's such an easy fold. I don't think 4 betting here vs a co open and a button 3 bet is bad at all.

If money is tight then take the lower variance line but if he's been playing with you for awhile and keeping a full stack he's prob not going to hit and run on you so I wouldn't have a problem stacking off, taking a note on his play and winning it back off him later. In the long run, stacking off with the top of your range generally isn't going to have a negative affect your win rate.