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$55 MTT. Flop flush in limped pot facing huge action on button

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  1. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 11:30pm)

    No reads as it's like 14 hands in to the tourney. I've already doubled through once but the table hasn't seen it.

    Anyway, I limp with the others hoping to hit a flop.

    Do we fold to the pot bet and big raise here? I really feel a limper has like Axdd 80% of th etime. Or am I protecting my early double too much....

    THoughts?

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    Bodog History for Hand #2142573393
    Hold'em Tournament 309467 No Limit - 2011-04-17 18:21:00
    Table 'Table 14, $10,000 Guaranteed (DS)' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Need_For_Speed ($3225.00)
    Seat 2: redknight80 ($3000.00)
    Seat 3: zubs1aa ($6130.00)
    Seat 4: narf ($2820.00)
    Seat 5: lamd213 ($2575.00)
    Seat 6: MrYellowBoy ($2460.00)
    Seat 8: Tcrowley ($2955.00)
    Seat 9: JeterBlow ($3000.00)
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    NEW HAND
    narf: posts the small blind $15.00
    lamd213: posts the big blind $30.00
    --- DEALING POCKETS
    zubs1aa is dealt [9d,7d]
    MrYellowBoy: folds
    Tcrowley: folds
    JeterBlow: folds
    Need_For_Speed: calls $30.00
    redknight80: calls $30.00
    zubs1aa: calls $30.00
    narf: calls $15.00
    lamd213: checks
    --- DEALING FLOP [Jd,Kd,Qd]
    narf: checks
    lamd213: checks
    Need_For_Speed: bets $150.00
    redknight80: raises $360.00 to $510.00
    zubs1aa: ?????
    Edited By: bonflizubi Apr 17th, 2011 at 11:32 PM
     
  2. Drewace34 Drewace34 is offline

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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 11:41pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    never folding...im clickin it back and calling... you have a lot of blockers to higher flush combos that might overlimp as well ie T9dd etc.. the higher flush combos are non existant bein the board is KQJ all diamonds so imo only combo u have to worry bout is like A2dd or somethin like that...with that being said in a limped pot his range is much greater than hands that beat u here...could b raisin pair combo draws or two pairs like QJ QTxd and willin to take r/c lines... I can't see worryin about the 2 or 3 combinations of hands that beat u here...raise and get it in ffs

    I hate flatting b/c just way to many bad turn cards that can kill ur action or his aggression into the pot... just have to 3b call and get it in vs all his two pair, pair/d, AT combinations...lol if he has like T8dd or A5dd
    Edited By: Drewace34 Apr 17th, 2011 at 11:42 PM
     
  3. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 12:00am) in reply to Drewace34

     
    Originally Posted by Drewace34 View Post

    I hate flatting b/c just way to many bad turn cards that can kill ur action or his aggression into the pot... just have to 3b call and get it in vs all his two pair, pair/d, AT combinations...lol if he has like T8dd or A5dd

    I agree that i can't flat here, that's what made me stop and think. im raising and playing for someone's stack if i get involved.
     
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  4. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 11:37pm) in reply to SlayNL

    ok so noone was folding (including the deleted guys.) Reads were dead on. Don't know when i turned into a P**** but i used to not have a fold button.

    Pot bet lead had AdTc for nut straight/royal draw and teh raise was Ts9h for teh donk str8. F me I would have stacked 2 guys and had a 4x stack 2d level.

    overthinkaments.

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    Bodog History for Hand #2142573393
    Hold'em Tournament 309467 No Limit - 2011-04-17 18:21:00
    Table 'Table 14, $10,000 Guaranteed (DS)' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Need_For_Speed ($3225.00)
    Seat 2: redknight80 ($3000.00)
    Seat 3: zubs1aa ($6130.00)
    Seat 4: narf ($2820.00)
    Seat 5: lamd213 ($2575.00)
    Seat 6: MrYellowBoy ($2460.00)
    Seat 8: Tcrowley ($2955.00)
    Seat 9: JeterBlow ($3000.00)
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    NEW HAND
    narf: posts the small blind $15.00
    lamd213: posts the big blind $30.00
    --- DEALING POCKETS
    zubs1aa is dealt [9d,7d]
    MrYellowBoy: folds
    Tcrowley: folds
    JeterBlow: folds
    Need_For_Speed: calls $30.00
    redknight80: calls $30.00
    zubs1aa: calls $30.00
    narf: calls $15.00
    lamd213: checks
    --- DEALING FLOP [Jd,Kd,Qd]
    narf: checks
    lamd213: checks
    Need_For_Speed: bets $150.00
    redknight80: raises $360.00 to $510.00
    zubs1aa: folds
    narf: folds
    lamd213: folds
    Need_For_Speed: calls $360.00
    --- DEALING TURN [3h]
    Need_For_Speed: checks
    redknight80: bets $1170.00
    Need_For_Speed: raises $1170.00 to $2340.00
    redknight80: goes all in $1290.00
    Need_For_Speed: calls $120.00
    Need_For_Speed: shows [Tc Ad]
    redknight80: shows [Ts 9h]
    --- DEALING RIVER [Ac]
    Need_For_Speed: shows [Tc Ad]
    redknight80: shows [Ts 9h]
    Hand 2142573393:
    Need_For_Speed: wins main pot($3045.00)
    redknight80: wins main pot($3045.00)
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    Edited By: bonflizubi Apr 18th, 2011 at 11:38 PM
     
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  5. eagleseye13 eagleseye13 is offline japanese pos

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    Apr 20th, 2011 (4/20/2011 5:21pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    before I read the results i was thinking reraise flop and then shove if no diamond hits turn as almost always here someone has the Ad and drawing or as drew said 2 pr or the straight. you would have defineately stacked them both on the turn but not knowing those two players well i'd say you were ahead after the flop..

    if it was against narf/lamb/yellow/crowlley i might be a bit more cautious as they tend to reraise hands like this if they had Adxd or even 10dxd...
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    Apr 20th, 2011 (4/20/2011 7:51pm) in reply to eagleseye13

    This is one of those spots where you can never fold in this paticular tourney. Would be the same as arguing to fold 88 on a98 with similar action.
     
  7. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2011 (4/20/2011 9:29pm) in reply to Ugottook420

    thanks guys. i really think i had a moment of *I doubled up already, why waste half of it*. Live n learn.
     
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  8. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2011 (4/21/2011 2:41am) in reply to bonflizubi

    I wouldnt fold there readless because I wouldnt expect the nut flush to raise there, especially that sizing - His raise looks like " I have a very strong hand with outs and I am never folding ". The only flush that beats you here that might raise is T8dd but if you run into that it's just unlucky. I would expect a made straight, Ad-x, or even a fish with a set to possibly raise there.

    Agree with what was already said above - I would re-raise the flop because there are so many turn cards which will kill the action. You have to fold to any real action if a 4th diamond hits and it might also give you a tough decision if the board pairs.
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