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$55 On Stars - Good spot to resteal?

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  1. Ninemil Ninemil is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:26pm)

    Readless.


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    Ninemil ($2,975)
    inocence ($3,883)
    paway ($6,056)
    lafranky69 ($5,530)
    mvfranca ($7,022)
    abospizza ($1,640)
    Soterdelf ($13,247)
    nomis9 ($13,171)
    BassPay ($6,598)

    abospizza antes $25
    Soterdelf antes $25
    nomis9 antes $25
    BassPay antes $25
    Ninemil antes $25
    inocence antes $25
    paway antes $25
    lafranky69 antes $25
    mvfranca antes $25
    Ninemil posts (SB) $125
    inocence posts (BB) $250

    Dealt to Ninemil 7c 7s
    fold, fold,
    mvfranca raises to $625
    fold, fold,
    nomis9 calls $625
    fold, Ninemil?
     
  2. FuFish FuFish is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:36pm) in reply to Ninemil

    hmm, well i wouldnt. i want between 18-23 bbs to not b giving pot odds. also, i want to b goin up against one villian, and i want that villian to b in steal position, doesnt appear original raiser is, all that coupled with the fact your readless, nah, not for me. would not b easy to muck 77 there, but i dont have enough stack to flat nor to resteal imo, so muck is what i do
    Edited By: FuFish Feb 9th, 2011 at 05:39 PM
     
  3. eDaN eDaN is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:37pm) in reply to Ninemil

    kinda depends on how active they/OR were/was, you don't have much FE and vs a tightish EP opening range esp with his stacksize 77 doesn't do very well, with his stacksize he should prolly openfold all lower pp's and vs the rest you're flipping at best.
    That being said I prolly don't find a fold vs most of the villians, are you using a HUD?

    Edit: the fact that after the hand you're OTB makes this more of a fold imo
    Edited By: eDaN Feb 9th, 2011 at 05:39 PM
  4. dalix88 dalix88 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:41pm) in reply to FuFish

    I actually like shoving here. With antes and a flat caller who we can assume isn't usually that strong, then I think there is enough in the pot and we are strong enough to shove profitably here, unless the opener has horrendously tight stats or something. Probably not shoving much worse though.
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  5. edc5036 edc5036 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:46pm) in reply to dalix88

    I shove every time readless. Only way I fold is with a read that original raiser is super nitty... we can't say that here so ya shove it in!
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  6. hiroshi_87 hiroshi_87 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 5:46pm) in reply to edc5036

    I'm shipping here. We don't even have 12 bigs, and there's a decent amount of chips already out there.

    You're getting called in at least one spot here, but I'd be happy to race at this point. Doubt you're even going to see a better hand than 77 before the blinds hit you again.
  7. eDaN eDaN is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 6:15pm) in reply to hiroshi_87

     
    Originally Posted by hiroshi_87 View Post

    I'm shipping here. We don't even have 12 bigs, and there's a decent amount of chips already out there.

    You're getting called in at least one spot here, but I'd be happy to race at this point. Doubt you're even going to see a better hand than 77 before the blinds hit you again.

    I rly don't disagree with shoving but I think you're getting one thing wrong, maybe we're not getting a hand such as 77 again BUT I much prefer shoving OTB/CO w/e with MUCH more FE but a weaker holding, in this case we're prolly getting calling 95% of the time at least
  8. the_dean22 the_dean22 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 6:34pm) in reply to eDaN

    with less than 12 blinds and very little perceived fold equity vs an EP raiser and flat in a 50$ freeze, i'm folding. assuming there is no fe...88 is close but probably getting in, 99 i def get in w/ 12 bbs. If you have 15-20 bbs here, shoving is better with 77 since you are adding some FE. With the 12bb stack , even if the original raiser folds, the flatter is going to call you with almost anything for only 9 bbs more (certainly any 2 broadway cards)
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  9. Danezone Danezone is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 6:57pm) in reply to the_dean22

    It really comes down to whether you are willing to flip for your stack right now or try to find a better spot.
     
  10. hiroshi_87 hiroshi_87 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 7:32pm) in reply to Danezone

     
    Originally Posted by eDaN View Post

    I rly don't disagree with shoving but I think you're getting one thing wrong, maybe we're not getting a hand such as 77 again BUT I much prefer shoving OTB/CO w/e with MUCH more FE but a weaker holding, in this case we're prolly getting calling 95% of the time at least

    What is it that I'm getting wrong?

    With this very short stack, if we fold here, we most likely have to shove before the blinds hit us again. The odds that you find a better spot than this to get it in is highly unlikely. The fact that you prefer shoving in a different spot doesn't make me wrong. That's just like... your opinion... man. =)

    OP asked whether this is a good resteal spot - well, no, since we have only 12bb. Is it a good shove spot? As Danezone has said, it really comes down to whether you want to flip right now, or nit it up with ~10bb. I think if we're legitimately trying to win this tourney, we're not folding here.
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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 8:13pm) in reply to hiroshi_87

    Becuase we can assume the flatter probably calls (and the button may or may not becuase his range is so wide open) I am curious to see what kind of a range people would put the flatter on. I guess some people flat with AA there and other than that what hands do you flat call with in that obvious resteal spot? QJ, J10s and hands like that? A:9-A:10? A2s-A5s? I don't see how you flat with any pair here, seems like a resteal or fold right?
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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 9:49pm) in reply to atptim

    Im shoving

     
    Originally Posted by the_dean22 View Post

    with less than 12 blinds and very little perceived fold equity vs an EP raiser and flat in a 50$ freeze, i'm folding. assuming there is no fe...88 is close but probably getting in, 99 i def get in w/ 12 bbs. If you have 15-20 bbs here, shoving is better with 77 since you are adding some FE. With the 12bb stack , even if the original raiser folds, the flatter is going to call you with almost anything for only 9 bbs more (certainly any 2 broadway cards)

    Wouldn't you say that with what is likely to be dead money in the pot that shoving 77 here is still +EV?
     
  13. alewine09 alewine09 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2011 (2/9/2011 11:10pm) in reply to pokerscrub1

    ship flip win... seriously tho shipping here like 94.8% of the time
     
  14. ryan beckwith ryan beckwith is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2011 (2/10/2011 4:33am) in reply to alewine09

    I actually fold 22-77 here unless I really think original raiser is that loose and flat caller is so bad they can actually not have a hand.
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  15. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Feb 10th, 2011 (2/10/2011 4:45am) in reply to ryan beckwith

    im value shoving not restealing
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    Feb 10th, 2011 (2/10/2011 8:02pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

    Read dependent. Without read, I'd prefer to wait for something better.
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    Feb 10th, 2011 (2/10/2011 8:48pm) in reply to the_dean22

     
    Originally Posted by the_dean22 View Post

    with less than 12 blinds and very little perceived fold equity vs an EP raiser and flat in a 50$ freeze, i'm folding. assuming there is no fe...88 is close but probably getting in, 99 i def get in w/ 12 bbs. If you have 15-20 bbs here, shoving is better with 77 since you are adding some FE. With the 12bb stack , even if the original raiser folds, the flatter is going to call you with almost anything for only 9 bbs more (certainly any 2 broadway cards)

    I don't think I've ever read anything this guy wrote and not agreed. My favorite poster on P5's fwiw
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