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What's your opinion on this call?
The guy was by far the most active at the table.
The guy involved in this hand was by far the most active at the table....
pokerstars Game #48869063882: Tournament #327020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (25000/50000) - 2010/08/30 0:02:04 ET
Table '327020010 571' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: daphishermen (1292215 in chips)
Seat 2: KingBalls123 (775500 in chips)
Seat 3: FightnIrishh (1287886 in chips)
Seat 4: ostromila (1401090 in chips)
Seat 5: Liveline99 (544930 in chips)
Seat 6: trionojnika (3927205 in chips)
Seat 7: lolriverdnky (913402 in chips)
Seat 8: Jay Weezey (1214298 in chips)
Seat 9: calbot84 (1024985 in chips)
daphishermen: posts the ante 5000
KingBalls123: posts the ante 5000
FightnIrishh: posts the ante 5000
ostromila: posts the ante 5000
Liveline99: posts the ante 5000
trionojnika: posts the ante 5000
lolriverdnky: posts the ante 5000
Jay Weezey: posts the ante 5000
calbot84: posts the ante 5000
Jay Weezey: posts small blind 25000
calbot84: posts big blind 50000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to daphishermen [Kd Kc]
daphishermen: raises 62545 to 112545
KingBalls123: folds
FightnIrishh: folds
ostromila: folds
Liveline99: folds
trionojnika: calls 112545
lolriverdnky: folds
Jay Weezey: calls 87545
calbot84: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac As 5h]
Jay Weezey: checks
daphishermen: bets 115000
trionojnika: raises 185000 to 300000
Jay Weezey: folds
daphishermen: calls 185000
*** TURN *** [Ac As 5h] [Td]
daphishermen: checks
trionojnika: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac As 5h Td] [4s]
daphishermen: checks
trionojnika: bets 1250000
daphishermen: calls 874670 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (375330) returned to trionojnika
*** SHOW DOWN ***
trionojnika: shows [Ad Jd] (three of a kind, Aces)
daphishermen: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
trionojnika collected 2781975 from pot
daphishermen finished the tournament in 65th place and received $2293.20.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2781975 | Rake 0
Board [Ac As 5h Td 4s]
Seat 1: daphishermen showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: KingBalls123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: FightnIrishh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ostromila folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Liveline99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: trionojnika showed [Ad Jd] and won (2781975) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 7: lolriverdnky (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Jay Weezey (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: calbot84 (big blind) folded before Flop -
Shove pre-flop and take down the blinds and antes or you have to fold to his pretty much min raise after you bet. Pretty sure in that spot he most likely has at least an ace.
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Dont really like shoving pf since you have more than 20 bb , really hate than AA flop 3 handed , very likely on of them as an ace
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OP- remove results 1st off.
Think you have to decide right there if you are being bluffed or not and either fold or 4bet ship on the flop. While villain was the most active at the table, has he been raising flops like that against 2 opponents? that spot really doesnt seem like he shows up with anything you beat too often. -
bad call on flop, bad call on river
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idk if its optimal but i try to keep this pot as small as possible and check the flop.
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i think checking the flop/pot control is ok when u have a way bigger stack...but here with ur stack, i think i play every street the same sadly : /

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hes 3 bettin aq/ak most likely ...so idk, his hand looks like sm pocket pair or some Ajss a10ss hand (obv)...but i would lean toward small pair and prob call river, since hes been active.
nice run bro -
ya but 2 ppl in the pot, seems like a spot to lead flop and fold if anyone flats or reraises.
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Seems like a fold as he raised with 2 ppl still left to act. HU seems like a call.
This seems completely wrong. If villain is doing this with air or worse PP, than he is folding all better hands if we shove. Calling flop raise def seems the most optimal. If he does barrel the turn than shove seems fine as I cant seem him ever folding after thatOriginally Posted by bonflizubi
Think you have to decide right there if you are being bluffed or not and either fold or 4bet ship on the flop. While villain was the most active at the table, has he been raising flops like that against 2 opponents? that spot really doesnt seem like he shows up with anything you beat too often. -
I think if he is bluffing I think he is betting da turn.
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im pretty sure that guy u lost this hand to final tabled...anyways, it's pretty tough to think into two players after you lead that flop that he's gonna be weak...if you think that you have him beat go for it like you did...but ask yourself before every key hand like this, "is this a spot that i want to go out of the tournament", and you may come up with a different answer...cheers
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way to rub his face in it, u dick. but might have a point in the last sentence
Originally Posted by PrimedUp
im pretty sure that guy u lost this hand to final tabled...anyways, it's pretty tough to think into two players after you lead that flop that he's gonna be weak...if you think that you have him beat go for it like you did...but ask yourself before every key hand like this, "is this a spot that i want to go out of the tournament", and you may come up with a different answer...cheers
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congrats on your deep run in the mill...this is a really sick spot and I understand the way you played it. One spot that sticks out to me is the turn. You both double checked and this gives me the idea that the villain was exercising some pot control and was still weary of you possibly holding ak or aq after your flop call of his raise. When you checked the river as well, I believe the villain felt as if you had no ace and he was safely able to shove all in with his aj. I have one idea that you can consider. I doubt it is the optimal play but if you are deciding to look him up, it may not be a terrible alternative to the way you played the hand. Instead of checking on the river, you could have possibly shot out a blocker type bet on the river. This allows you to possibly get to a showdown without having to call all-in for your tourney life and could possibly get some value from hands such as qq/jj if you believe this is in your opponent's range. If your opponent raises you on the river then that pretty much seals the deal that he has an ace and you can safely release. In this scenario, he would most likely just call as his turn check indicates that he is aware that you may be holding ak/aq. You would still lose the hand but would still be in the game. I think a 200-250k bet on the river could get this done, leaving you with about 500-600k.
Edited By: areUserious Sep 1st, 2010 at 05:05 AM -
i would bet flop just because its better than checking and its gonna make the hand easier than just c/c and stuff...but after he raises flop seems like pretty easy fold...no random bluffs 3way pots on these boards ever
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Yeah I mean def a kind of tough spot for me.
I just felt that my lead on the flop was so weak it was so easy for any somewhat capable player to come over the top.
I put him on either air or like a medium pair.
When he checked the turn instead of beting like 200k that helped confirm my theory.
Then i check the river again i clearly don't have an ace.
So when he shoves pretty much knowing I don't have an ace it doesn't look in my mind like him trying to get value from an ace.
More like turning a decent pair into a bluff.
I went with my guy, and I was wrong.
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i really cant blame u for the way u played the hadn, it really looks like he is trying to get u to fold a better pp and there are few combinations of A´s
Originally Posted by daphishermen
Yeah I mean def a kind of tough spot for me.
I just felt that my lead on the flop was so weak it was so easy for any somewhat capable player to come over the top.
I put him on either air or like a medium pair.
When he checked the turn instead of beting like 200k that helped confirm my theory.
Then i check the river again i clearly don't have an ace.
So when he shoves pretty much knowing I don't have an ace it doesn't look in my mind like him trying to get value from an ace.
More like turning a decent pair into a bluff.
I went with my guy, and I was wrong.
sighh.
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