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77 12bbs BB facing REG EP open w/26bbs - good spot to stop and go?

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  1. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2012 (6/25/2012 8:31pm)

    I have open shoved 2 of the last 8 hands, but prior this I have been tight.

    felix running at 17/17 25hs.

    He can certainly be stealing with 26bbs here, so I don't expect his range to be very narrow.

    Is this a good spot to use a stop & go (on any flop, unless we hit a 7)? When we shove pre, we might get a fold sometimes, but often we are flipping and sometimes we are dominated. If we shove any flop, we minimise variance, and can even get some stronger pairs to fold on high boards . We also give him a tough decision to make when he has Ah of flops 2/3rd pair.

    Thoughts?



    pokerstars Hand #82124041386: Tournament #574829521, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (200/400) - 2012/06/18 17:19:11 WET [2012/06/18 12:19:11 ET]
    Table '574829521 45' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: limb01 (3845 in chips)
    Seat 3: Mércurial (4608 in chips)
    Seat 4: Pezunt (11113 in chips)
    Seat 5: felixdsauza (10491 in chips)
    Seat 6: boyka134 (28241 in chips)
    Seat 7: Pay-I-Say (11040 in chips)
    Seat 8: Dontata (1973 in chips)
    Seat 9: turkeyneck39 (12339 in chips)
    limb01: posts the ante 50
    Mércurial: posts the ante 50
    Pezunt: posts the ante 50
    felixdsauza: posts the ante 50
    boyka134: posts the ante 50
    Pay-I-Say: posts the ante 50
    Dontata: posts the ante 50
    turkeyneck39: posts the ante 50
    limb01: posts small blind 200
    Mércurial: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mércurial [7d 7h]
    Pezunt: folds
    felixdsauza: raises 400 to 800
    boyka134: folds
    Pay-I-Say: folds
    Dontata: folds
    turkeyneck39: folds
    limb01: folds
    Mércurial...
  2. LiquidSw0rd LiquidSw0rd is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2012 (6/25/2012 8:59pm) in reply to BscHons

    i like the idea with those stacks and positions, but 77 is the kind of hand i'll rather just ship pre honestly.
     
  3. yarbles yarbles is offline

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    Jun 25th, 2012 (6/25/2012 9:01pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    What sword says.
  4. ImAllinHoney ImAllinHoney is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 11:30am) in reply to yarbles

    i agree with sword, just ship it. with your stack size he is getting 1,5:1 on the call which should be just fine for him to call you off with like 22-66 or rag aces. you should also see this perspective since you lose value against those hands by using stop n go. just my point of view anyway.
    Edited By: ImAllinHoney Jun 26th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
  5. BenFaz BenFaz is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 11:41am) in reply to ImAllinHoney

    You say it minmises variance but against capable reg's this is just not gonna work as much because your getting snapped pretty wide as when you flat/jam flop your range is seen as weak, and most the time it will be

    But ye in this spot its a jam as everyone has said yeh def miss value sometimes as honey put.
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  6. daughton daughton is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 11:51am) in reply to BenFaz

    I just don't think in a $5 tourny that you are going to get people to fold overs to a flop so that part of the plan is out.

    There's gonna be about 2600 in the pot if you flat and you can shove 3800 into it on the flop. He has you well covered and will have 9800 behind when you shove. What kind of flop are you expecting? A low board and if he has over pair or over cards he may well call. A high board and he may well hit and call or have a draw and call. I don't see what the flat achieves in this situation?

    I just don't think it's a favourable position given the chances of a board that is good for you and likely bad for his range when he has you so well covered.

    Far better to shove pre into his range I think.
    Edited By: daughton Jun 26th, 2012 at 11:52 AM
  7. cocoa_butter111 cocoa_butter111 is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 2:29pm) in reply to daughton

    Lol at good time for a stop and go hahahahhahahahahaha can't stop laughing... Fold or jam... Stop and go hahahahhahahahahaha
     
  8. peanut172 peanut172 is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 6:18pm) in reply to cocoa_butter111

    people still use stop and go?....shove pre imo
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  9. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 6:52pm) in reply to BenFaz

     
    Originally Posted by BenFaz View Post

    You say it minmises variance but against capable reg's this is just not gonna work as much because your getting snapped pretty wide as when you flat/jam flop your range is seen as weak, and most the time it will be

    But ye in this spot its a jam as everyone has said yeh def miss value sometimes as honey put.


    well said. plus what daughton said- it's a $5 tourney they often aren't folding with even a draw on that flop jam as well. I really don't see Stop n going as reducing variance. If anything, it reduces the amount you can win in this spot and perhaps makes it a -EV spot. Just Jam.
     
  10. razorpoker2002 razorpoker2002 is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 12:12am) in reply to bonflizubi

    I'd raise to 3676 sometimes it confuses people and they fold I'm def "gettin it in" here tho
     
  11. peanut172 peanut172 is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2012 (6/27/2012 5:34am) in reply to razorpoker2002

    tbh we need more stats on him if he is opening wide from ep or not...in a vacuum it would be wise to fold here and shove aj+ 88+

    never use a stop n go with a pocket pair its just like obv for obv reasons not too :)
    Edited By: peanut172 Jun 27th, 2012 at 05:36 AM
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