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77 laydown on multiway all in, correct laydown?

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  1. duffer230 duffer230 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 5:16pm)

    I def think I was correct in laying this down, i need reassurance cause being result oriented like i am, this fucks with me..

    pokerstars Game #15288252586: Tournament #77436866, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2008/02/14 - 18:14:23 (ET)
    Table '77436866 18' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Donkdown123 (6688 in chips)
    Seat 2: Anita1964 (5665 in chips)
    Seat 3: DIADENVER (1184 in chips)
    Seat 4: nassplif (7950 in chips)
    Seat 6: mpk772 (18050 in chips)
    Seat 7: duffer230 (19256 in chips)
    Seat 8: pierreog (8522 in chips)
    Seat 9: Pacco1985 (12162 in chips)
    Donkdown123: posts the ante 100
    Anita1964: posts the ante 100
    DIADENVER: posts the ante 100
    nassplif: posts the ante 100
    mpk772: posts the ante 100
    duffer230: posts the ante 100
    pierreog: posts the ante 100
    Pacco1985: posts the ante 100
    nassplif: posts small blind 500
    mpk772: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to duffer230 [7h 7d]
    duffer230: raises 2000 to 3000
    pierreog: folds
    Pacco1985: folds
    Donkdown123: folds
    Anita1964: raises 2565 to 5565 and is all-in
    DIADENVER: calls 1084 and is all-in
    nassplif: raises 2285 to 7850 and is all-in
    mpk772: folds
    duffer230: folds
    *** FLOP *** [7c 3c Kc]
    *** TURN *** [7c 3c Kc] [2c]
    *** RIVER *** [7c 3c Kc 2c] [2s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    nassplif: shows [Ah Ks] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
    Anita1964: shows [As Tc] (a flush, King high)
    Anita1964 collected 10878 from side pot
    DIADENVER: shows [4s Ad] (a pair of Deuces)
    Anita1964 collected 6136 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17014 Main pot 6136. Side pot 10878. | Rake 0
    Board [7c 3c Kc 2c 2s]
    Seat 1: Donkdown123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Anita1964 showed [As Tc] and won (17014) with a flush, King high
    Seat 3: DIADENVER (button) showed [4s Ad] and lost with a pair of Deuces
    Seat 4: nassplif (small blind) showed [Ah Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces
    Seat 6: mpk772 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: duffer230 folded before Flop
    Seat 8: pierreog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Pacco1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 5:24pm) in reply to duffer230

    Mmmmmm. Getting 4-1 in this huge pot, and nobody else left to act, I am making this call all day long.

    Next time don't post the results right away.
  3. stevel1017 stevel1017 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 6:06pm) in reply to duffer230

    I'm folding here, 77 to easily dominated, best a flip
  4. woertink woertink is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 6:27pm) in reply to stevel1017

    You can't fold. 4:1???
  5. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 7:38pm) in reply to duffer230

    If you want non-results oriented answers, don't show the end result.

    That said, I think you have to call here.
  6. stevel1017 stevel1017 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 7:46pm) in reply to woertink

    I can Im a tight nit, and know I will hit once out of 7.5
  7. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 7:57pm) in reply to stevel1017

    Big mistake to fold. 7.5 to 1 to hit a set, but easily 20% to win the hand which justifies the call. Actually, we shouldn't know this, but with all those aces tripping over each other, the odds of 77 winning would justify a call getting only 3-2 on our money (rough guess).
  8. odstore odstore is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 8:00pm) in reply to threebanger

    3 all in's behind him and you think his hand is easily 20% to win?
  9. duffer230 duffer230 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 8:02pm) in reply to rocksolid124

    yeah, i didnt think about only posting to my decision. im a jackass. anyway. i agree with what threebanger said about aces tripping over each other, but i figured one of them had to be good for 99-QQ and i was kind of being a nit on bubble play too. so i guess i did myself in for playing scared and not thinking clearly.

    thanks guys
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  10. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 8:06pm) in reply to odstore

    Well I have the benefit of knowing the outcome, but even without it I think I make that call getting 4-1 and generously assuming my 77 can win 20% of the time to justify it.
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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 8:14pm) in reply to threebanger

    i think 20% is a little generous. obv after seeing the result we can say that but just looking at the hand i don't think you're typically 20% to win here. But I suck at mtt's.
  12. KMan1564 KMan1564 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 12:35am) in reply to duffer230

    If you're going to be folding to a 4bb raise all-in atop of your initial raise, you shouldn't be opening the pot.
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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 8:18am) in reply to KMan1564

    ^^^^^^^^ That's a great point that I glossed over in my first reply. It's a good argument for just open folding 77 utg here when so many shorties will make you race for a lot of chips.
  14. Bulldogmafia Bulldogmafia is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 8:29am) in reply to duffer230

    As played this is a call.

    Oh and maybe I am a nit but I am folding 77 UTG with your chip stack or pushing with it. I am not raising.
  15. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 9:01am) in reply to Bulldogmafia

    Bulldog,

    Your overthinking it. He had a boat, how can you not play :).

    Seriously though, this answer should be used more, since these questions almost always only get posted because they would have won.

    Still, doing a quick look at this, it's under 5k to win 22k in total. The only thing that is really scary here is that the bigger stack pushed in after you raise and 2 shorties (with wide ranges) calling. He's the only hand I'm really worried about.

    That being said, even assuming you have to catch a 7 to win, you have the odds to call (so, giving up to one overpair, you have the odds to play this. Also, occasionally, you might not run into that (the first 2 hands can really push almost anything there).

    I think your way behind, I still think you gamble here. If your hand wins (and you have a chance) of that, you are in great shape. If you lose, you aren't that much worse off if you fold after the raise (and I have no issue with the open raise there)
  16. Cortz Cortz is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 9:11am) in reply to duffer230

    id call look at those pot odds

    BTW id also open fold that hand preflop

    AS PLAYED- i would call looks like a turbo you need 2 gambol the pot odds are so f'n amazing i think it would be a huge mistake to fold
  17. Rycky4Golf Rycky4Golf is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2008 (2/15/2008 2:06pm) in reply to Cortz

    I agree, this is an open fold, but once he decided to raise the pot odds are too good. TBH, I think you pretty much assume you are up against 2 all-ins since the 3rd one can barely cover the BB.
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