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8-8 Facing 4-bet Shove FT of $55 6-max

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  1. JINYX JINYX is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 5:59pm)

    This is the FT of 8:15 EST $55 6-max on Stars. fjuanl has been raising my BB semi-regularly and I have 3-bet him a few times before. He seems to be a solid player who hasn't been spewing or doing anything too crazy. Thoughts on what to do here?

    pokerstars Game #25214983801: Tournament #140556564, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (1500/3000) - 2009/02/21 23:44:25 CT [2009/02/22 0:44:25 ET]
    Table '140556564 13' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: fjuanl (183700 in chips)
    Seat 2: sondra golfs (166888 in chips)
    Seat 5: JINYX (121530 in chips)
    Seat 6: johnintoit (49882 in chips)
    fjuanl: posts the ante 300
    sondra golfs: posts the ante 300
    JINYX: posts the ante 300
    johnintoit: posts the ante 300
    sondra golfs: posts small blind 1500
    JINYX: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JINYX [8h 8d]
    johnintoit: folds
    fjuanl: raises 4500 to 7500
    sondra golfs: folds
    JINYX: raises 13730 to 21230
    fjuanl: raises 162170 to 183400 and is all-in
    JINYX: ?
  2. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:01pm) in reply to JINYX

    Flat>3b/fold>jam>fold
  3. P33J P33J is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:02pm) in reply to JINYX

    ughhh, pretty sick spot but I would fold.
     
  4. gray31 gray31 is online now

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:02pm) in reply to ronkend

    With this history, I call
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  5. jtj03 jtj03 is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:06pm) in reply to JINYX

    Sick spot, I think I fold here tho
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  6. AMARTIN1181 AMARTIN1181 is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:34pm) in reply to jtj03

    snap call. don't re raise pre if you're not ready to get it in!
  7. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:42pm) in reply to AMARTIN1181

    the biggest problem with this hand is that you 3 bet without a plan. you have a pretty solid hand...88 plays very well, especially 4 handed. if you don't want to 3 bet/call here...just flat. you're deep enough to flat and play this pot oop. 3bet/folding 88 here is awful, cause then you might as well have 4 high

    as played, call and be happy about it
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  8. K1d_Gr1nD K1d_Gr1nD is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 6:43pm) in reply to AMARTIN1181

     
    Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181 View Post

    snap call. don't re raise pre if you're not ready to get it in!

    unless you realize you made a mistake....why make the 2nd mistake in the same hand just because you HAVE to call now??...i snap fold
  9. adam_mc adam_mc is offline

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 7:01pm) in reply to K1d_Gr1nD

    If you "made a mistake" then you know that 3 betting to fold was a mistake hence you would not have made the thread.
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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 7:05pm) in reply to adam_mc

     
    Originally Posted by adam_mc View Post

    If you "made a mistake" then you know that 3 betting to fold was a mistake hence you would not have made the thread.

    first of all..there is no right or wrong way to play it....trust me...ive seen all the top ranked pros make weird plays...my point is...we have all made mistakes and realized it afterward...even on the next street...so, why continue if you feel that you are crused...cus math says you HAVE to?...well, thats a poor rationalization....if you make a mistake and realize it...DONT CONTINUE....FOLD...he had 40BBs to start the hand...there is no way i call off my tournament with 88 with an ok stack left
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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 7:07pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    the biggest problem with this hand is that you 3 bet without a plan. you have a pretty solid hand...88 plays very well, especially 4 handed. if you don't want to 3 bet/call here...just flat. you're deep enough to flat and play this pot oop. 3bet/folding 88 here is awful, cause then you might as well have 4 high

    as played, call and be happy about it

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    Feb 23rd, 2009 (2/23/2009 7:12pm) in reply to K1d_Gr1nD

     
    Originally Posted by K1d_Gr1nD View Post

     
    Originally Posted by adam_mc View Post

    If you "made a mistake" then you know that 3 betting to fold was a mistake hence you would not have made the thread.

    first of all..there is no right or wrong way to play it....trust me...ive seen all the top ranked pros make weird plays...my point is...we have all made mistakes and realized it afterward...even on the next street...so, why continue if you feel that you are crused...cus math says you HAVE to?...well, thats a poor rationalization....if you make a mistake and realize it...DONT CONTINUE....FOLD...he had 40BBs to start the hand...there is no way i call off my tournament with 88 with an ok stack left

    this is pretty much just terrible advice
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