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  1. YuhmanQ YuhmanQ is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2010 (6/26/2010 8:50pm)

    I got in an arguement with my friend about this hand. He says that the correct play would have been to reraise all-in on the flop here. What do you guys think?

    pokerstars Game #46021656411: Tournament #317010496, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2010/06/26 15:33:21 ET
    Table '317010496 249' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Swordlion (1570 in chips)
    Seat 2: MichiG76 (24430 in chips)
    Seat 3: olegrado (9921 in chips)
    Seat 4: theclown21 (3350 in chips)
    Seat 5: dutchhrbrgrl (3585 in chips)
    Seat 6: ZacsMomma2 (9070 in chips)
    Seat 7: YuhmanQ (5900 in chips)
    Seat 8: MKrz14 (6976 in chips)
    Seat 9: Supernaut77 (3450 in chips)
    Swordlion: posts the ante 20
    MichiG76: posts the ante 20
    olegrado: posts the ante 20
    theclown21: posts the ante 20
    dutchhrbrgrl: posts the ante 20
    ZacsMomma2: posts the ante 20
    YuhmanQ: posts the ante 20
    MKrz14: posts the ante 20
    Supernaut77: posts the ante 20
    MKrz14: posts small blind 75
    Supernaut77: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to YuhmanQ [8h 8c]
    Swordlion: folds
    MichiG76: folds
    olegrado: raises 450 to 600
    theclown21: folds
    dutchhrbrgrl: folds
    ZacsMomma2: folds
    YuhmanQ: calls 600
    MKrz14: folds
    Supernaut77: folds
    *** FLOP *** [7h 4d 3c]
    olegrado: bets 1050
    YuhmanQ: calls 1050
    *** TURN *** [7h 4d 3c] [Jd]
    olegrado: bets 1650
    YuhmanQ: calls 1650
    *** RIVER *** [7h 4d 3c Jd] [Qd]
    olegrado: bets 2850
    ZacsMomma2 is disconnected
    YuhmanQ: folds
    Uncalled bet (2850) returned to olegrado
    olegrado collected 7005 from pot
    olegrado: doesn't show hand
  2. 2BlackNines 2BlackNines is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2010 (6/26/2010 9:02pm) in reply to YuhmanQ

    i definately would'nt put in over half my chips and fold....shove or fold on turn imo, i'm thinking fold
  3. YuhmanQ YuhmanQ is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2010 (6/26/2010 11:06pm) in reply to 2BlackNines

    I didn't see the point in calling on that river by which time there was pretty much no hand I could beat. As for shoving or folding on the turn, I'd probably opt for folding as well but this is all in retrospect. Anyone else got an opinion on this thread?
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  4. catdoggin catdoggin is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2010 (6/26/2010 11:48pm) in reply to YuhmanQ

    This is one of those where u r either way behind or way ahead.

    The decision to a very large extent depends on ur feel 4 the villian (any reads etc) - has he been active, what has he shown down, etc

    The flop is about the best u could hope 4 other than hitting ur set. It is a reasonably dry board. Personally I think u need to find out where u r on this flop - but to do this the only option is shoving given ur stack size. This also means u r taking the lead in the betting and putting him to the decision. If he calls with an over pr gg. but he may give u credit 4 a set and fold or snap call with AK. The way the hand played out he most likely had a pocky pr. from the start. The way u flatted the turn makes ur hand look weak and he can apply maximum pressure on the river (even if he has complete air - u cannot call) - who knows his AdKd may have got there (which he may well have folded to a flop shove).

    As an aside I had a similar situation the other night.

    I have 99 on the button raise it to 3.5 BB
    SB flats
    Another player flats
    Board 5,6,7 rainbow
    sb leads out 1/3 pot
    other player snap folds
    I repop to 3/4 pot
    He tanks and annouces 10s and folds

    I think once u flatted the flop it is a fold or all in on the turn

    At the end of the day this is one of those hands which is heavily read and situation dependant. It also depends on ur image. A fold on the turn is not a disaster neither is shoving the flop or turn - note that on the turn u will be called down irregardless of his holding. Personally unless this guy had been a nit I would probably be shipping it on the flop - if he has me he has me
    Edited By: catdoggin Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:53 PM
  5. yarbles yarbles is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 3:16am) in reply to catdoggin

    was his standard open 4x pre? weak players tend to play 8s-jjs this way if they are normally opening 3x then switch to 4x. i prob just fold on the flop. I think preflop its close you have about 40 bbs im leaning towards folding preflop unless your sure you will get all his chips if you flop a set.
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