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88 with a m=5 ish

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  1. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 6:12pm)

    any advice?

    GAME = huge field 3 rebuy, just inside the $
    pokerstars Game #29887515114: Tournament #173034035, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (1250/2500) - 2009/06/28 18:01:40 ET
    Table '173034035 717' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: andre5252 (73505 in chips)
    Seat 2: scissordude (58422 in chips)
    Seat 3: PrimoAA (32207 in chips)
    Seat 4: deezbos (28190 in chips)
    Seat 5: whiteeeee (18086 in chips)
    Seat 6: Rocked_U (32662 in chips)
    Seat 7: xxxSedgexxx (47105 in chips)
    Seat 8: kaz831 (18998 in chips)
    Seat 9: Timzc1 (27390 in chips) as BB
    andre5252: posts the ante 300
    scissordude: posts the ante 300
    PrimoAA: posts the ante 300
    deezbos: posts the ante 300
    whiteeeee: posts the ante 300
    Rocked_U: posts the ante 300
    xxxSedgexxx: posts the ante 300
    kaz831: posts the ante 300
    Timzc1: posts the ante 300
    kaz831: posts small blind 1250
    Timzc1: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Timzc1 [8s 8d]
    andre5252: (30 bb stack) raises 2500 to 5000--I stole from this guy a lot r and shove 12-20 bb sized stacks and he had seemed sooo passive with his stack; seemed tight -- or at least tight callign ranges for the past 1.5 hrs
    scissordude: (25 bb stack) raises 15000 to 20000---v little info, he had been quiet since I rem him comign to the table
    PrimoAA: folds
    deezbos: folds
    whiteeeee is connected
    whiteeeee: folds
    Rocked_U: folds
    xxxSedgexxx: folds
    kaz831: folds
    Timzc1: ??

    Is this the time to fold? a mid pair with such a small stack?
  2. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2009 (6/28/2009 9:03pm) in reply to timzc1

    Maybe you can get andre to fold as before, but scissor's in there for almost 35% of his stack; while I don't know the player, if he's at all typical, ain't no way he's going away after taking things this far.

    Dump it.............you'll make, or find, a better spot than this. In effect, you're just calling off with 88 here, cos you have zero FE.
  3. DutchCourage DutchCourage is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2009 (6/29/2009 7:49am) in reply to hushpuckena

    Agree with previous poster. You're better off open-shoving something like J9o than getting in with 88 after a minraise and re-raise.

    What is critical in fold/shove mode is the fold equity you get, which diminishes with every action preceding your hand. Your actual hand is of course of some importance -but not the overriding factor. Since in this case you don't have any fold equity it is -EV to push here IMO.
  4. timzc1 timzc1 is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2009 (6/29/2009 7:43pm) in reply to DutchCourage

    I *did fold* the hand and I did so with little reflection -- it seemed like an almost no brainer at the time.

    But then I got to thinking that maybe I was being too risk averse? Sure you have basically 0 fold E, but there is a somewhat reasonable chance you have a coin flip, and with such a small M you need to take risks.

    If I had 1010 I probably would have shoved, I think, and JJ+ for sure I would have.

    Anyway, ty for analysis!

    --timzc1
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  5. I Spew Chips I Spew Chips is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2009 (6/29/2009 8:11pm) in reply to timzc1

    Def a fold. FWIW, I prob fold TT here too.
     
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