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90 man $6's & $12's results for solid grinders....

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  1. Polar_Bears Polar_Bears is offline

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    Feb 27th, 2011 (2/27/2011 2:40pm)

    I was wondering if I could get some results on the 90 man $6's & $12's from solid grinders so I could do some forecasting. I am interested in:

    ROI%
    ITM%
    Hours
    $/Hr

    Could you also provide and/or talk about the fluctuations between the # of tables you are playing and your ROI, ITM, and Hourly rate?

    If I could get a screen shot of HEM or PT screen on this that would be awesome!!! I provided what I am looking for below:





    I didn't provide my information to discuss my progress as I am well aware my sample sizes are way to small. I only provided it to demonstrate what categories I am inquiring about and so I can setup some real expectations moving forward.

    Thanks!
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    Feb 27th, 2011 (2/27/2011 4:58pm) in reply to Polar_Bears

    check out sharkscope leader board. this will give u the top players and then u take take like 15% or so off those ROIs for a solid grinder. Shark365 is the absolute best. he runs at around 50% ROI over a TON of games without his KOs included. he plays 12s 26s and 52s and i am pretty sure 6s when the games r going off slow. also remember sharkscope does not include KOs so those wont be figured into the ROI.
    Edited By: HoldThzNutz Feb 27th, 2011 at 04:59 PM
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    Feb 27th, 2011 (2/27/2011 5:11pm) in reply to HoldThzNutz

     
    Originally Posted by HoldThzNutz View Post

    check out sharkscope leader board. this will give u the top players and then u take take like 15% or so off those ROIs for a solid grinder. Shark365 is the absolute best. he runs at around 50% ROI over a TON of games without his KOs included. he plays 12s 26s and 52s and i am pretty sure 6s when the games r going off slow. also remember sharkscope does not include KOs so those wont be figured into the ROI.

    Thank you...awesome info!!
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    Feb 27th, 2011 (2/27/2011 6:14pm) in reply to Polar_Bears

    I can't give you hourly rates or anything but yea, shark365 is the best but good grinders can consistently make 50% rois in the 12s. Ive never played the 6s and I played mostly 26's so I only have like 1500 games played at that level.

    Oh, sharkscope does include ko's as far as I know.
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    Feb 27th, 2011 (2/27/2011 8:43pm) in reply to supra1988t

     
    Originally Posted by supra1988t View Post

    I can't give you hourly rates or anything but yea, shark365 is the best but good grinders can consistently make 50% rois in the 12s. Ive never played the 6s and I played mostly 26's so I only have like 1500 games played at that level.

    Oh, sharkscope does include ko's as far as I know.

    lol @ good grinders consitantly making 50% roi. Shoot for 20% and if you can consisantly do that go pro.
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    Feb 28th, 2011 (2/28/2011 12:49am) in reply to Polar_Bears

    50% roi is days of years past imo... sharks plugging 20% +- not near as much volume as past tho. there are still some regs out there posting 30%+ numbers, just not as many as in the past.

    a ton of 90 "grinders" have quit over the last 6+ mos. a ton more should be quitting but keep on posting 1k+ games for 1-3% roi's.

    games are not nearly as "soft" as in the past.

    sustaining a 10% top 3 overall is guna be lols

    use opr to filter while playing. set 46-180 and then u can goto distributed to see level stats. sharkscope is swayed now with rush stats

    8-12 is the sweet spot. <4 shoot yourself imo. most regs either 16 tbl nonstop or play down sets 16<

    6's top 25 last month by tlbs. Run stats to see true roi etc...

    1TommyTinkleUnited Kingdom4,572.20
    2Che0032Russia4,348.80
    3VeritazUnited States3,718.10
    4fifithecatUnited Kingdom3,508.80
    5ImbaTretiyRussia3,129.60
    6jnye34United States3,089.70
    7MAADEIRABrazil3,069.20
    8DOCcapitalUnited States2,928.60
    9choneDboneUnited States2,813.80
    10connman20Ireland2,718.90
    11artetempRussia2,682.40
    12thatguy25United States2,484.60
    13OelgartUnited States2,434.80
    14ganadarkUkraine2,423.30
    15Labas ppvBrazil2,402.90
    16JGold530United States2,398.50
    17Perfect JohnnyUnited States2,323.60
    18ViktorVasilchukRussia2,295.20
    19Puxei TudoBrazil2,234.20
    20Mcschnucks1Ireland2,227.20
    21BadBeatplayaBrazil2,200.80
    22phengshuiRomania2,165.90
    23HUNDRED DOLLARCanada2,108.60
    24Toshi YoshidaUnited States2,102.40
    25Safe_SageUkraine2,032.20
    12's same deal
    1OxotasDadTurkmenistan6,490.10
    2TheDon888United Kingdom4,630.70
    3JoelMarosticBrazil4,371.60
    4Power BottomCanada4,016.70
    5bbw_w4mUnited States3,456.40
    6gbb187United States3,389.50
    7MAADEIRABrazil3,324.20
    8Labas ppvBrazil3,089.30
    9icallyourbluffXHungary3,023.20
    10Toshi YoshidaUnited States2,996.60
    11raz0rF1shCanada2,835.00
    12MulaBandhaRussia2,773.00
    13boone79Hungary2,729.90
    14OelgartUnited States2,692.70
    15MichaelBpzpzUnited States2,679.50
    16thatguy25United States2,513.40
    17Tweak24United States2,419.40
    18choneDboneUnited States2,362.50
    19YeomansCanada2,268.60
    20phengshuiRomania2,234.70
    21Mcschnucks1Ireland2,215.70
    22Goooooooooood80United States2,200.80
    23BadBeatplayaBrazil2,117.20
    24DzynasLtLithuania2,100.80
    25rejfulPoland2,093.10
    Edited By: just-jOHnny Feb 28th, 2011 at 01:42 AM
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    Feb 28th, 2011 (2/28/2011 1:15am) in reply to just-jOHnny

    Ok, 50% is a little is high 40% should def be doable in the lower stakes.
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    Feb 28th, 2011 (2/28/2011 5:44am) in reply to poker4tuition

     
    Originally Posted by poker4tuition View Post

    lol @ good grinders consitantly making 50% roi. Shoot for 20% and if you can consisantly do that go pro.

    I am going pro ;)

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    Feb 28th, 2011 (2/28/2011 6:58am) in reply to poker4tuition

     
    Originally Posted by poker4tuition View Post

    lol @ good grinders consitantly making 50% roi. Shoot for 20% and if you can consisantly do that go pro.

    20% is pretty easy and common in these games, and the 26's. granted i dont think anyone outside of shark365 is pulling in a 50%+ long term, but theres plenty in the 20-35 range
     
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 8:04am) in reply to nyy486



    50% sustainable over a bigger sample size or just impossible?
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 9:12am) in reply to Polar_Bears

    go play some cash or somthing, Im tired of regs.
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 9:22am) in reply to Polar_Bears

     
    Originally Posted by Polar_Bears View Post



    50% sustainable over a bigger sample size or just impossible?

    First off 200 games is not a good basis to judge anything. I've played 200 in a day before and have had a losing day and I'm fairly certain my roi is atleast 15% while 16 tabling.

    roi is borderline irrelevant. What matters is your $/hour. Obviously your 75% roi isnt sustainable, and when it comes down to 30%, if your a solid player, your still not going to be making the money of most regs because your not 16 tabling for long amounts of time, if at all. Work on keeping your play as good as it has been and adding more tables.

    Your playing 4.65 games per hour right now, i played 10.5 per hour for the month of Feb, and that included a few days of 4 tabling MTT's while doing homework.
    Edited By: therelapse Mar 1st, 2011 at 09:22 AM
     
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 9:22am) in reply to Polar_Bears

     
    Originally Posted by Polar_Bears View Post


    50% sustainable over a bigger sample size or just impossible?

    Think it's possible if you are only 4 tabling or some other low number. If you want to maximize your hourly though you should be playing at least 10 and then I wouldn't expect much more than 30%. 90 man's were my main game last year. I'm no pro I just play for fun but here are my graphs:

    35% ROI in 2,100 $6's and 31% in 1,500 $12's.

    http://www.sharkscope.com/SharkScope...T%20SNG%20Only

    http://www.sharkscope.com/SharkScope...T%20SNG%20Only

    Edited By: 888Brandon Mar 1st, 2011 at 09:24 AM
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 9:30am) in reply to just-jOHnny

     
    Originally Posted by just-jOHnny View Post

    sustaining a 10% top 3 overall is guna be lols

    This is no where near being possible. A 6% top 3 roughly translates to a 30%-40% roi.
     
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 12:26pm) in reply to therelapse

     
    Originally Posted by therelapse View Post

    Work on keeping your play as good as it has been and adding more tables.

     
    Originally Posted by 888Brandon View Post

    Think it's possible if you are only 4 tabling or some other low number. If you want to maximize your hourly though you should be playing at least 10 and then I wouldn't expect much more than 30%.

    I am running 15-18 tables at a time. I can't even get 18 tables to fill outside peak hours.

     
    Originally Posted by 888Brandon View Post

    35% ROI in 2,100 $6's and 31% in 1,500 $12's.

    http://www.sharkscope.com/SharkScope...T%20SNG%20Only

    http://www.sharkscope.com/SharkScope...T%20SNG%20Only

    Links don't work...it says "
    Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access /SharkScope/DisplayGraph on this server."
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 3:20pm) in reply to Polar_Bears

    MY brother plays 90 mans almost exclusively...if anyone wants to seperate his stats they can but these are his basics

    Ridleeeyyy 2,761 $2 $6 40% $6,380 Tilt 76 FullTilt SNG Only

    Mostly 6 and 12's with a few 24's thrown in
    Edited By: rivverkiller Mar 1st, 2011 at 03:37 PM
    Reason: missed a word
     
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 3:25pm) in reply to rivverkiller

     
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    MY plays 90 mans almost exclusively...if anyone wants to seperate his stats they can but these are his basics

    Ridleeeyyy 2,761 $2 $6 40% $6,380 Tilt 76 FullTilt SNG Only

    Mostly 6 and 12's with a few 24's thrown in

    Something to aim for...thank you!
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    Mar 1st, 2011 (3/1/2011 6:08pm) in reply to Polar_Bears

    Just Jonny lists most of the current grinders, and most of them are between 15-25% (from my own unscientific method of "looking them up").

    I visit these things from time to time and I am currently at 26% over 3k games. My numbers are skewed as I am also fresh off of an 800 game downswing/transition out of $6 level; I usually run about 30-35%.

    Supra is good and very knowledgable but I think his numbers are a bit optimistic. If you are mass-tabling (10-16+) I think any number from 20-30 percent is quite good and anything from 30-40 is exceptional. I think 50% is unreasonable and anything approaching it is usually a heater.

    EDIT: Meh I just reviewed my sharkscope closer and I have about 57% at the 6 level over 1200 games, meaning it is doable at the lower levels (at least for a smallish sample). I guess it depends on which levels are mixed together during a typical session.
    Edited By: s.l. halper Mar 1st, 2011 at 06:27 PM
     
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    Mar 11th, 2011 (3/11/2011 11:12pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    I probably shouldn't even reply to this, but oh well. I am a current 90 man full time grinder (I make my living playing these games). I went "pro" at the beginning of February due to being laid off work. I have an extensive database of the regulars in these games, and for your viewing pleasure, have broken down the every reg I know that has played more than 1000 $6.50 90s, as well as all of the regs that have played more than 750 $13 90s in 2011.

    $13 90's


    $6.50 90's


    I should note that this ROI is not including KO's for any of you who may ask that question. Sharkscope determines the base buy-in without the KO bounty portion. Hence $6.50 90s are filtered as 90-90 $5.00+$0.50, and $13 90s are filtered as 90-90 $10.00+$1.00.

    I will say that without a doubt, 40% ROI is sustainable in the $6.50 games. From what I have seen of the $13 games (only about 600 played in the last 3 weeks, that I am confident that 30-35% is sustainable in these games long term as well. As far as the $26's go, well those are a bit tougher to gauge given the small volume a player can get in due to excessive load times. I would however estimate that 25% ROI is not out of the question at all, as there are still TONS of donks in these games, and actually less regulars in them than in the $13s.

    I will check back to this thread for the next couple of days. If you have any questions for someone that is actively grinding, let me know.
    Edited By: botboy141 Mar 11th, 2011 at 11:38 PM
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    Mar 11th, 2011 (3/11/2011 11:26pm) in reply to botboy141

    Will be starting to grind these again soon. Seems that the 12 dollars are super reg filled now also but still beatable. The biggest difference is tightness around the final table. Pretty easy to find out who is good at these and play according. Alot of the regs are super exploitable. Gl.
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