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90 man KO SNG's on FTP - how many KO bonuses per game?

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  1. DEEZZZ_NUTS DEEZZZ_NUTS is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:17pm)

    I am wondering how many average knockouts a winning reg expects to acrue in each 90 man KO sng that he enters? I'm interested in the $24+2 and $48+4 levels

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:26pm) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

    top 30 id estimate 2+ ko's
    30-60th place id estimate 0-2 ko's
    60th place and worse id estimate 0-1 ko's'

    hope this helps.

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:35pm) in reply to LiquidCoke7

    ty, I meant it more like, if you have a 1000 games played with a 30% roi, how many ko's per game would you be attaining? i.e. 120 ko's per 100 sngs played, etc... I'm just trying to figure out what a true ROI would be when factoring in average Ko's as well...
     
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  4. joeykukzMSU joeykukzMSU is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:43pm) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

    not those buy-ins, but i grind the 3.30 KOs... just under 4 thousand games with 25% ROI right now im averaging .78 KOs a game
    Edited By: joeykukzMSU Aug 18th, 2010 at 02:46 PM
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:49pm) in reply to joeykukzMSU

    I don't think stats would really help to figure this out. It would come down to how aggro a player plays imo so it would be impossible to say.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 10:51pm) in reply to joeykukzMSU

     
    Originally Posted by joeykukzMSU View Post

    not those buy-ins, but i grind the 3.30 KOs... just under 4 thousand games with 27% ROI right now im averaging .78 KOs a game

    ty, this is exactly what i'm looking for....... how did you figure that out? did you keep your own notes on # of ko's, or is there a way to find that info on sharkscope?
    Edited By: DEEZZZ_NUTS Aug 17th, 2010 at 10:51 PM
     
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:01pm) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

    You'd think I'd know this, curious as well tho.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:03pm) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

     
    Originally Posted by DEEZZZ_NUTS View Post

    ty, this is exactly what i'm looking for....... how did you figure that out? did you keep your own notes on # of ko's, or is there a way to find that info on sharkscope?

    yea i actually just keep a little notepad next to me with two columns, one for games played and one for KOs and just use tally marks, then i have a spreadsheet to keep track of profits, sessions, time played and all that i finish when im done for the day. PM me if you want to look at the spreadsheet on google docs.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:14pm) in reply to joeykukzMSU

    i play a ton of the $24+2's and some $48+4s but not as much b/c they rarely run and i cant tell you ur answer but can sharkscope give you this answer. i would say its an amount that would compensate you for the reduced prizepool.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:20pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

     
    Originally Posted by poisoneye1986 View Post

    i play a ton of the $24+2's and some $48+4s but not as much b/c they rarely run and i cant tell you ur answer but can sharkscope give you this answer. i would say its an amount that would compensate you for the reduced prizepool.

    I don't think sharkscope factors in Ko's into its 90 man ROI/Profit? Does it?
    Edited By: DEEZZZ_NUTS Aug 17th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
     
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:48pm) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

     
    Originally Posted by DEEZZZ_NUTS View Post

    I don't think sharkscope factors in Ko's into its 90 man ROI/Profit? Does it?

    i think they do but i dont think you can find the amount of KO's you have. i could be wrong but i think ive seen that question around bfore.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:54pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    That'd be weird if sharkscope kept up with this...I know opr doesn't.
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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 11:55pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    Sharkscope doesn't factor in the KO's. I have a group of friends and we all play the 90's, it's been averaged out over a large sample size of ~1 KO per tourny for a winning player. I would think you would average around 1.15+
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 12:40am) in reply to agilles

    thanks agillies, i've been averaging about 1 ko per tourney, but not a big enough sample size for it be that relevant, ty for help
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 2:47am) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

    Minnesota ftw
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 6:09am) in reply to dcoop45

    a donk like you lance might avg 1ko. i obv boink 5 a game. boink, dcoop, lance = round robin tecmo session soooon....
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 6:23am) in reply to DEEZZZ_NUTS

     
    Originally Posted by DEEZZZ_NUTS View Post

    ty, this is exactly what i'm looking for....... how did you figure that out? did you keep your own notes on # of ko's, or is there a way to find that info on sharkscope?

    under requests, in the lobby check my tournament history shows how many kos u have had for each game played
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 6:25am) in reply to Iplaythabored

    impossible to judge... youll have some tournies where the only person you knockout, is the guy who got 2nd place... then youll have tournies where you knockout 7 or 8 shortstacks, and then bubble the final table yourself... ya never know...
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 9:11am) in reply to LeftyMike

    Im pretty sure sharkscope does track the knockouts for 90 mans agilles, and long term they make up a decent % of a winning player's profit.
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 2:32pm) in reply to CeJeH

    so I dont play that high but I do play a bunch of 90's, I basically figure that you break even, or at least close to it and once you add the EV of it being a bounty mtt you should be slightly ahead. basically unless the KO's are killing you your beating the game well enough not to be worried, if not well you got the rest...
     
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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 2:47pm) in reply to dgillis

    in the 3.30s i average .84 cents profit a game (~25% ROI), and with averageing .78 KOs a game (.50 each)... my profit is $.45/gm from prizepool, $.39 /gm from KOs....
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