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99 in the BB with 9BBs.....

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  1. Dionysus Dionysus is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 11:09am)

    9BBs left in the BB. Villian just arrived at table. What's the best line to take? Do I standard raise to induce action in the hope my 9s flop well (basically a gamble to try increase my tiny stack). Or at 9BBs should I just be getting it in PF?


    pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, $400/$800 Blinds $100 Ante (9 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

    saw flop

    MP3 ($27858)
    CO ($53500)
    Button ($22983)
    SB ($5884)
    Hero (BB) ($14997)
    UTG ($19059)
    UTG+1 ($16712)
    MP1 ($4122)
    MP2 ($28750)

    Hero's M: 7.14

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
    3 folds, MP2 calls $800, 3 folds, SB calls $400, ???
  2. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is online now

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 11:13am) in reply to Dionysus

    snap high five get it in, crushin their limping ranges plus you'll take down the pot in the middle a lot which helps ur stack a fair bit

    not many flops ul be happy with/get much action on cept with a 9
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  3. bazingaking bazingaking is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 12:51pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    snap high five get it in, crushin their limping ranges plus you'll take down the pot in the middle a lot which helps ur stack a fair bit

    not many flops ul be happy with/get much action on cept with a 9

    ^Pretty much says it all. Your stack size is strong enough to force the weak limping range of MP2 to fold, and then you might pick up a race with the SB, with a lot of dead money in the pot, or just win about 2.5k dead money in the pot, and protect your BB.
  4. elendil elendil is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 1:02pm) in reply to bazingaking

    Haven't you got 18/19BB's left?
  5. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is online now

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 1:07pm) in reply to elendil

     
    Originally Posted by elendil View Post

    Haven't you got 18/19BB's left?

    good point, prob still jst shoving, hope sb calls u with crap
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  6. Dionysus Dionysus is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 1:39pm) in reply to elendil

     
    Originally Posted by elendil View Post

    Haven't you got 18/19BB's left?


    True, maybe I should concentrate on basic maths before posting!! Tks for responses. PF shove the way to go for sure.
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  7. daughton daughton is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 2:32pm) in reply to Dionysus

    Check your option.

    You're in the BB and out of postion. You can't raise really as the big stack will likely call or shove; you have to shove if you do anything here.

    If you shove here then you're behind or racing. If you Raise you don't want to have to call a Re-Raise or a shove with 99 when your 19 BB deep. It costs you nothing to see the flop. I'd do that and if it comes ok (unlikely) then jam the flop. Otherwise get through the blinds and widen your shoving range.

    Why make a big pot with a vulnerable hand when you don't need to. Check the BB and review the flop.
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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 3:26pm) in reply to daughton

     
    Originally Posted by daughton View Post

    Check your option.

    You're in the BB and out of postion. You can't raise really as the big stack will likely call or shove; you have to shove if you do anything here.

    If you shove here then you're behind or racing. If you Raise you don't want to have to call a Re-Raise or a shove with 99 when your 19 BB deep. It costs you nothing to see the flop. I'd do that and if it comes ok (unlikely) then jam the flop. Otherwise get through the blinds and widen your shoving range.

    Why make a big pot with a vulnerable hand when you don't need to. Check the BB and review the flop.

    Checking is the worst option here, just shove all in prefllop here. Taking down the blinds and antes is the best available option here for ur stack size of 19bbs. These are the kind of shove spots u are looking for in a mtt with ur stack size. You also more then likely have the best hand here, he also might call u with a smaller pair or some kind of rag ace. Basically just go all in and don't listen to this guy saying u should check in the big blind, there are too many chips in the pot for you not to be getting it all in here.
     
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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 4:02pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    I still like a jam with 19BB's, you are way ahead of both players limping range. You get folds the majority of the time IMO and sometimes called with smaller pairs or Ax, KQ, KJ type hands. You add 4BB+(inc antes) to your stack with folds, thats like a 20% increase. I have a rule of thumb when it comes to jamming that I need to add at least 15% to my stack when shoving light. BTW 99 is not that light there either.
  10. trist23 trist23 is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 5:41pm) in reply to elendil

    Easy shove....u have under 20 bbs, a fairly premium hand, and passive action in front of you....9/10 you'll take it down with a shove and the other time you'll get called and be either way ahead or flipping ....like mcandrews and kevmode said, these are really easy spots to pick up chips that u have to take advantage of to get deep in mtts
     
  11. Defndrofangels Defndrofangels is offline

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    Apr 30th, 2011 (4/30/2011 6:42pm) in reply to trist23

    Very easy shove with 18-19bbs with antes. In a 11 dollar donkament you're way ahead.
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    May 1st, 2011 (5/1/2011 4:10am) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    pretty sure u're closer to 15bbs but still shove is by far the best choice.

    You def. don't want to see a flop oop vs. a MP limper so raising or checking are really bad.
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    May 2nd, 2011 (5/2/2011 4:51pm) in reply to Sagacious Man

    I agree that you don't want to get involved OOP with this hand.

    With 19BB and sat UTG some people might well contemplate folding this hand until you go through the blinds. I'm just suggesting it's not so bad an option to simply do that.

    You're in the big blind now, just check your option and see what comes. If it's a bad flop we're looking to shove unopened pots or 3bet the otherside of the blinds. I think this line is better EV than shoving a pot with 2 potential callers now. After all you're potentially in a pot with 2 other players who want to be in the pot, they volunteered money into this pot with thier limp. After the blinds you can steal and are likely up against players who will fold and don't want to be in a pot because they won't have volunteered to be in it.

    In truth I probably shove this and often do, but I think it's worth considering a check as you're in the BB and can apply better pressure in unopened opts in only 2 hands.
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    May 2nd, 2011 (5/2/2011 5:45pm) in reply to daughton

    I'm jamming or checking my entire range, never doing anything in between (unless I get fancy with a big pair because the players are that awful). Most likely they're limp folding to a jam a lot which means you can jam a TON of hands. With that said, 99 is WAY above what you need to profitably jam here so just jam.
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    May 2nd, 2011 (5/2/2011 6:04pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    It could be a wide limping range, 99s are really good here. Even if u get called, u need to play a coin (he must have sg. like broadways, or even better low-mid pp). Easy shove.
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