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Villian 1 - TAG - feel he has a solid hand here
Edited By: catdoggin Jun 27th, 2010 at 03:33 AM
Villian 2 - feels like a standard position reraise here - did not see as a strong hand
I feel that ep raiser will shove
This is 4 a large % of my chips if he does and with a three way pot as LP has committed himself how do U think this plays
WWYD - thoughts please
Full Tilt Poker Game #21900350538: Early Double - B (168857396), Table 90 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:11:05 ET - 2010/06/26
Seat 1: Laura Riehle (65,816)
Seat 2: dagegge (191,638)
Seat 3: jonnymanboobs (79,322)
Seat 4: BigWood120 (163,875)
Seat 5: Timaty (256,608)
Seat 6: miskolorowy (52,564)
Seat 7: begovac (72,868)
Seat 8: catdogman (110,639)
Laura Riehle antes 500
dagegge antes 500
jonnymanboobs antes 500
BigWood120 antes 500
Timaty antes 500
miskolorowy antes 500
begovac antes 500
catdogman antes 500
catdogman posts the small blind of 2,000
Laura Riehle posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to catdogman [9d 9h]
dagegge folds
jonnymanboobs raises to 11,250
BigWood120 folds
Timaty folds
miskolorowy folds
begovac has 15 seconds left to act
begovac raises to 24,000
catdogman has 15 seconds left to act
catdogman ????
To me this looks like at best flipping or at worst calling off a large chunk of my stack when dominated
Standard to fold here or
Do we flat or
Do we reraise
Reason: Added some info -
Thanks 4 ur reply Matt
Edited By: catdoggin Jun 27th, 2010 at 02:20 AM
I did fold - I figured I was at best fliiping
will post results of hand later
on FT 6/7 at the mo -
thanks mate - out 5th - prolly shold have called the repop from the massive stack - hand b4
Edited By: catdoggin Jun 27th, 2010 at 02:35 AM -
Sooo. here was what actually happened
Full Tilt Poker Game #21900350538: Early Double - B (168857396), Table 90 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:11:05 ET - 2010/06/26
Seat 1: Laura Riehle (65,816)
Seat 2: dagegge (191,638)
Seat 3: jonnymanboobs (79,322)
Seat 4: BigWood120 (163,875)
Seat 5: Timaty (256,608)
Seat 6: miskolorowy (52,564)
Seat 7: begovac (72,868)
Seat 8: catdogman (110,639)
Laura Riehle antes 500
dagegge antes 500
jonnymanboobs antes 500
BigWood120 antes 500
Timaty antes 500
miskolorowy antes 500
begovac antes 500
catdogman antes 500
catdogman posts the small blind of 2,000
Laura Riehle posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to catdogman [9d 9h]
dagegge folds
jonnymanboobs raises to 11,250
BigWood120 folds
Timaty folds
miskolorowy folds
begovac has 15 seconds left to act
begovac raises to 24,000
catdogman has 15 seconds left to act
catdogman folds
Laura Riehle folds
jonnymanboobs raises to 78,822, and is all in
begovac has 15 seconds left to act
begovac has requested TIME
begovac calls 48,368, and is all in
jonnymanboobs shows [Qd Qc]
begovac shows [7s 7c]
Uncalled bet of 6,454 returned to jonnymanboobs
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9c Ac]
*** TURN *** [Ts 9c Ac] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9c Ac Tc] [Ks]
jonnymanboobs shows two pair, Queens and Tens
begovac shows two pair, Tens and Sevens
jonnymanboobs wins the pot (154,736) with two pair, Queens and Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 154,736 | Rake 0
Board: [Ts 9c Ac Tc Ks]
Seat 1: Laura Riehle (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: dagegge folded before the Flop
Seat 3: jonnymanboobs showed [Qd Qc] and won (154,736) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: BigWood120 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Timaty folded before the Flop
Seat 6: miskolorowy folded before the Flop
Seat 7: begovac (button) showed [7s 7c] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 8: catdogman (small blind) folded before the Flop
Whilst this would have given me the chip lead of the tourney by >100K I still believe that the fold was 100% correct especially given that I felt the initial raiser was strong and that whatever I did he was reshipping it in preflop. The fact that my hand hit is irrelevant.
In the end I was happy how I played the tourney although really should have called the monster stack the hand b4 I busted - was getting correct pot odds but I am confident I was well behind (was the only time I raised super light at the FT dammit) . I then reshipped a raise from the nitiest guy at the FT and busted out 5th but it was a 40/60 which was all I could look for
Thanks 4 ur opinions -
tbh the fact the 9 came at all was irrelevant. I trusted my gut that I was behind at the time and not willing to at best flip against a guy who had been showing down solid hands. If it had only been the button raising (who was certainly looser) I probably would not think twice but three way no way. As u say the vast majority of the time I lose a big part of my stack.
Irrespective of the ultimate outcome I guess my question was given the dynamics of the players was any1 shipping the 9s here pre?
From the responses so far the answer is a resounding No.
Thanks -
Fairly easy fold imo. Considering the initial raiser is utg+1, you have to assume that he, the reraiser, or both have very strong hands. However, if they would have been in later positions, lets say the hijack and the button, you probably would have had to think about shoving.
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Originally Posted by bonflizubi
nah man good fold by your read. Remember, that 9 prob doesnt come if you ship anywaym since the FTP RNG would generate differently!
not at all. Was telling OP not to go "oh i woulda made my set" because the FTP RNG is the only one that does not set the cards before the hand. THe more time/actins that occurr affect the algorithm. (It's all detailed on their site somewhere.) So if he's only got 2 outs, if you generate those cards at random again, then it probably doesn't come.
No tin foil hat here... That's how theirs works. If it was stars, the board comes out the same. -
Thanks everyone for your replies
I also felt it was a standard fold and certainly don't regret it. As I said at the table in chat at the time it was the correct decision. This helped me in the later stages of the tourney as when I raised it got alot more respect which made building and maintaining a playable stack far easier.
May have been interesting if the button had flatted the original raiser instead of reraising as I would have seen the flop then (pretty sure if this happens I get all orig raisers chips and the other guy folds).
The only reason I took a few seconds to fold was to work out whether I thought orig raiser was repopping all in preflop - I felt this was very likely. Additionally this meant that the button was effectively committed and would make it an almost certain 3 way. So this made my decision an easy one given stack sizes and how deep we were. Additionally if I whiffed the flop (which is going to happen the vast majority of the time) I am oop and likely to be facing an all in on the flop
Thanks 4 the congrats too.
Good luck at the tables all -
hey u did the right decision, but me personally i would never want to flat here , if u had reads on the players and u were thinking about 4bet jammin is one thing, but flattin here is to much of ur stack facing a 3bet , so def fold before u think about flatting, flattin will just put u in a very akward spot post flop and its for to high a % of ur stack at this point , but ur decision to fold was the best option , just wanted to give u my opinion cuz i think u were thinking about flattin as a option, try to eliminate flattin in these spots for this much of ur stack , gl
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Thanks Matt - 100% right
I agree that thinking about flatting would have been a very spewy way to play the hand especially given that I am oop.
This is where forums like this r great cos it makes u think more clearly about the situations. Jamming was one aspect I did consider (certainly more than flatting) but again the stack sizes meant the opponents were very unlikely to fold (well the ep raiser certainly was not going to here). And if I am called it is likely a flip or dominated hand that is calling, so fold makes sense.
Good luck all
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