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  1. PocketSims PocketSims is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2012 (1/8/2012 9:18am)

    i run into this problem alot with mid paires can u help anyone?
    pokerstars Game #73483467017: Tournament #492967121, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2012/01/08 2:15:04 MT [2012/01/08 4:15:04 ET]
    Table '492967121 11' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: hera2944 (26509 in chips)
    Seat 2: PocketSims (52259 in chips)
    Seat 3: OneMeanJoker (15474 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mahtode (33144 in chips)
    Seat 5: Dun ya nuts (31134 in chips)
    Seat 6: 112233445544 (19930 in chips)
    hera2944: posts the ante 70
    PocketSims: posts the ante 70
    OneMeanJoker: posts the ante 70
    Mahtode: posts the ante 70
    Dun ya nuts: posts the ante 70
    112233445544: posts the ante 70
    Mahtode: posts small blind 300
    Dun ya nuts: posts big blind 600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to PocketSims [9s 9c]
    112233445544: folds
    hera2944: calls 600
    PocketSims: calls 600
    OneMeanJoker: folds
    Mahtode: calls 300
    Dun ya nuts: checks
    *** FLOP *** [4c Qh Ac]
    Mahtode: checks
    Dun ya nuts: checks
    hera2944: checks
    PocketSims: checks
    *** TURN *** [4c Qh Ac] [8h]
    Mahtode: bets 1200
    Dun ya nuts: calls 1200
  2. Marrs_aka_CB Marrs_aka_CB is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2012 (1/8/2012 10:08am) in reply to PocketSims

    I think this is a sigh fold that you have to make, since Mahtode and Dun ya nuts both could have checked the flop with a weak Q to keep the pot small, and Mahtode especially could have checked the flop with a weak A.

    Also it may have been a good idea to isolation raise the limper because you can win the pot from the limper folding and it gives you the preflop betting lead, meaning you can win the pot with a cbet often.

    I understand you're trying to flop a set, but you don't have good implied odds because the limper has a very undefined range of hands, so its best to be aggressive, i hope this helps.
  3. chronkie chronkie is offline

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    Jan 8th, 2012 (1/8/2012 11:46pm) in reply to Marrs_aka_CB

    I also like a preflop raise here. Like Marrs said it will help to isolate the limper and define his range a little more. This then gives you the option to cbet/f a flop here. Playing a hand this passively gives you absolutely no information.

    I don't see how you can call here on the turn. I would say someone checking an A rag or Q on the flop is very likely especially with V1 betting and V2 calling. This is not a hand where you want to be playing against multiple opponents and it is not one you can take down with a raise on the turn. You are likely drawing to 2 outs. The way you played here, i make an easy fold.
  4. sirjwab sirjwab is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 1:53am) in reply to chronkie

    I agree, def raise pre
  5. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 3:45am) in reply to sirjwab

    You almost always have the best hand so you wanna be isoing that guy, or at least trying to, pre by popping it up to 2400.

    As played there really is zero decision to be made on the turn. Fold. Quickly.
  6. yjbrewer yjbrewer is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 5:27am) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    I think 2400 is high. I was thinking 15-1800. Always raise with 9s in shorthand game. You have to get A rag out of hand. C bet def takes hand down.
  7. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Jan 9th, 2012 (1/9/2012 5:38am) in reply to yjbrewer

    Yeah I didn't notice we are 6max here. You could go 2200-2250 but anything less is too little imo. You don't want it to be too small that you invite more action. 99 is fine hand but not in a multiway bloated pot. The purpose is to take it down pre or get heads up with the limper in position.
  8. ImaBustYou ImaBustYou is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 6:45pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

     
    Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder View Post

    You almost always have the best hand so you wanna be isoing that guy, or at least trying to, pre by popping it up to 2200.

    As played there really is zero decision to be made on the turn. Fold. Quickly.

    TVG hit it on the head.
  9. THEnewBRAIN THEnewBRAIN is offline

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    Jan 10th, 2012 (1/10/2012 10:25pm) in reply to ImaBustYou

    Not knowing what stage of the tourney you are at but assuming approaching late, with 88bb pocket 9's and a limper in front I think I'm raising to 1800 or 2000, you would also need to realize that a 4 bet would possible from behind if someone thinks you are isolating the limper and the blinds having over 50bb and your size stack they have room to make plays , but me personally I would fold to the small stack reraise (his stack is only 25bb and 5 betting commits you to calling all-in and if flat calling you have to play the hand out of position and the only way you can feel comfortable is by flopping a set). I probably 5 bet the bigger stacks in the blinds depending on their reraise size but if I think their table presence tight and they are not reraising light I may fold. Just my opinion

    With how you played it, I'm folding its highly unlikely 99 is any good there, your probably looking at an Ace from the small blind with a weak kicker
  10. BomboKlaat BomboKlaat is offline

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    Jan 13th, 2012 (1/13/2012 2:18am) in reply to THEnewBRAIN

     
    Originally Posted by THEnewBRAIN View Post

    Not knowing what stage of the tourney you are at but assuming approaching late, with 88bb pocket 9's and a limper in front I think I'm raising to 1800 or 2000, you would also need to realize that a 4 bet would possible from behind if someone thinks you are isolating the limper and the blinds having over 50bb and your size stack they have room to make plays , but me personally I would fold to the small stack reraise (his stack is only 25bb and 5 betting commits you to calling all-in and if flat calling you have to play the hand out of position and the only way you can feel comfortable is by flopping a set). I probably 5 bet the bigger stacks in the blinds depending on their reraise size but if I think their table presence tight and they are not reraising light I may fold. Just my opinion

    With how you played it, I'm folding its highly unlikely 99 is any good there, your probably looking at an Ace from the small blind with a weak kicker

    +1 very good analysis, agree 100%
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