pokerstars Game #18925306992: Tournament #96499915, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/07/18 - 23:04:46 (ET)
Table '96499915 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: worthlesloth (12358 in chips)
Seat 2: KMAC812 (9888 in chips)
Seat 4: zmzm1980 (5900 in chips)
Seat 5: Kanshi (8832 in chips)
Seat 6: pavs75 (4651 in chips)
Seat 7: Danielav (10610 in chips)
Seat 8: flor224 (2675 in chips)
Seat 9: Zahntechn (5936 in chips)
worthlesloth: posts the ante 25
KMAC812: posts the ante 25
zmzm1980: posts the ante 25
Kanshi: posts the ante 25
pavs75: posts the ante 25
Danielav: posts the ante 25
flor224: posts the ante 25
Zahntechn: posts the ante 25
Zahntechn: posts small blind 150
worthlesloth: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to worthlesloth [Tc Th]
KMAC812: folds
zmzm1980: folds
Kanshi: raises 900 to 1200
pavs75: folds
Danielav: folds
flor224: folds
Zahntechn: folds
worthlesloth: ?

real awkward..idk i dont think flatting is bad..idk i need table feel for this..im not sure if he's deep enuff to flat..just get it in..

heres what actually happened..

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to worthlesloth [Tc Th]
KMAC812: folds
zmzm1980: folds
Kanshi: raises 900 to 1200
pavs75: folds
Danielav: folds
flor224: folds
Zahntechn: folds
worthlesloth has timed out
worthlesloth: folds
Uncalled bet (900) returned to Kanshi
worthlesloth is sitting out
Kanshi collected 950 from pot
worthlesloth has returned

couldn't decide how to play it quick enough...blah

pretty awkward spot with your stack sizes. i think you can argue any of the options with the 4x open. reraise/get em seems kinda of spewey to me here over a early pos. 4x. folding seems so weak. and flatting, although i hate to say it. seems like the best option to me? ewwww.......i dont know what to say. ghey spot

I like a flat call. 3 betting accomplishes nothing since he's probably just shoving with hands that beat you and folding what you beat.

I do not like flat calling without any decent reads on said player/any idea how frequently he cont. bets, so its raise to commit or fold for me. I raise because of my name. to 3400.

Calling is not bad by any stretch of the imagination. With absolutely no information on your opponent fold is likely the worst play.

Its amazing how people say they want all the "garbage people raise with in these" or 22-99 to fold preflop when you have TT. NO YOU DON'T PEOPLE, YOU WANT MORE MONEY WHEN YOU ARE 4-1 OR BETTER.

Anyway I think the "standard" play is to just shove.

Had my 1010 cracked way to many times from KJ / KQ flatting from this position. I would rather re raise pre and apply pressure rather than have no idea where I am at playing out of position post flop.

actually I am shoving..flatting sux cuz u'll play the pot OOP...and it gives the potential of 4 over cards coming.. and I think he'll cbet his whole range unless he hits topset...but yea just stick it in .. and who knows he might fold better than tens here

Honestly now that I see you're the BB I don't mind calling and check raising all in on most flops here either (any flop with no A and only 1 over) . That would probably be the most profitable way to play the hand against a player that would always continuation bet in this spot.

Just my opinion, but if I have someone dominated in chips like this, with this hand, this late in tourney-I push all in over him. These are the plays that are necessary to WIN tourneys, even 180's. You are not using your stack at all if you dont play these kind of hands more aggressively.

OOPS- I thought u had 123,580 chips. Naturally that changes everything I said.

 

Originally Posted by Bigchip79

flatting sux cuz u'll play the pot OOP...and it gives the potential of 4 over cards coming.. and I think he'll cbet his whole range unless he hits topset...but yea just stick it in .. and who knows he might fold better than tens here

First he's never folding better than TT to a shove.

Second flatting does not suck at all. In fact, its a fine play imo. You have 40bbs. This is a powerful stack in this t'ment. If youare confident if ur ability, there's no need to shove here, unless you have a read on him or know that's he's opened many pots. If this is the case, a shove is mandatory imo.

Controling the size of the pot is key here. Keep it small and see what comes. For the price of three more bbs you get a lot of info. If comes bad, get away, esp if you are comfortable playing an aggro game pre. You can run over so many tbls in this t'ment by playing position and you have the perfect stack to do that.

Just don't see the need to go crazy with TT here. When I'm playing against inferior players, I avoid coinflips for as long as possible, since I'm very comfortable playing agrro pre, outplaying them post flop, and using my fold equity wisely.

most 4.40 donks 4x with 66 - JJ u have most of those beat i would say F the raise to 5k and shiip get called by 99 and lose

I was probably overthinking this. Push all in and they probably think you're trying to resteal from the BB with rags and beat you into the pot with a weak ace or small pocket pair.

I see calls like that often in big buyin tournies, so I'd assume they'd be even more frequent in $4 ones.

Pretty marginal spot... a case can be made for flatting or shoving (or big raise/calling). Read/stats on player and overall table dynamics are very important, but if you're 24-tabling these and have zero info, then I'd lean towards shoving.