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AA 150bbs OOP facing flop MR from tight player - turn and river play?

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  1. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 12:24am)

    Very early on in the tournament, and I haven't done much so far.
    vik = 9/6 32hs

    We are not folding to the flop raise, but I wanted to discuss our plan for the turn and river. Clicking back the flop seems pretty bad - if he comes over the top again we can't be ahead and have created an gross situation. Should we be just playing the hand passive from here onwards and just re-evaluting the turn/river cards? My guess is his range here is TPGK, 2P, TTs, 44s, though this play may not even raise top pair here.

    Thoughts?



    pokerstars Hand #81236344130: Tournament #565752577, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/05/30 18:16:05 WET [2012/05/30 13:16:05 ET]
    Table '565752577 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: Mércurial (3000 in chips)
    Seat 2: vikulinka (2990 in chips)
    Seat 3: AmerigoLT (2970 in chips)
    Seat 4: go6poe_ytpo (3000 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 5: Zé Lunar (2980 in chips)
    Seat 6: Unlogisch87 (3030 in chips)
    Seat 7: Acervera1982 (3030 in chips)
    Seat 8: Tricolor69 (3000 in chips)
    Seat 9: VaNiaL (3000 in chips)
    Zé Lunar: posts small blind 10
    Unlogisch87: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mércurial [Ac As]
    Acervera1982: folds
    Tricolor69: folds
    VaNiaL: folds
    Mércurial: raises 40 to 60
    vikulinka: calls 60
    AmerigoLT: folds
    Zé Lunar: folds
    Unlogisch87: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qd Ts 4c]
    Mércurial: bets 89
    vikulinka: raises 101 to 190
    Mércurial: calls 101
    *** TURN *** [Qd Ts 4c] [2c]
    Mércurial: checks
    vikulinka: bets 280
    Mércurial...
  2. leeroydafish leeroydafish is offline

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 3:37am) in reply to BscHons

    Without answering your question, how can you call a player tight if you are assigning him 2 pair on this board?
  3. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 8:28am) in reply to leeroydafish

     
    Originally Posted by leeroydafish View Post

    Without answering your question, how can you call a player tight if you are assigning him 2 pair on this board?

    I think 2 pair is in his range, I'm not saying this is his hand. Arguably his range is quite strong here (of course, not knowing much about the player he could be doing something stupid/weird here as well), but I don't see how we can just snap fold to a MR w/AA here. I posted this HH to get ideas about turn/river play.
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  4. IMLegend IMLegend is offline Is Bighaley21, Bighaley21 account is reactivated

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 10:13am) in reply to BscHons

    He could easily have AQ KQ here or if hes getting creative might even have a hand like KK or even KJ. Def not folding the turn. I say call and c/c the river as well.
  5. David Whats David Whats is offline

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 10:31am) in reply to IMLegend

     
    Originally Posted by IMLegend View Post

    He could easily have AQ KQ here or if hes getting creative might even have a hand like KK or even KJ. Def not folding the turn. I say call and c/c the river as well.

    This.
    Check calling keeps his weaker hands in, if you raise, his weak hands fold out. Seems only 1010 and 44 have you beat that are in his range, and 10 10 may have re-rasied pre flop. QQ 3 bets pre flop too. Q 10s is the only 2 pair hand he could have, which is low probability if he's tight as you say, all others in his range are Qx hands, AQ, KQ, QJ.
    I like c/c turn, re-eval river but likely c/c river too unless Q peels off. If he's hit a set with 44/1010, i think you gonna have to pay it off.
  6. FakeJchan FakeJchan is offline

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    Jul 5th, 2012 (7/5/2012 12:52pm) in reply to David Whats

    I agree with the above without a solid read on the player I am check calling down. Don't really like it but at the beginning of tournaments especially you get people doing fishy things. Against some players without a flush draw on the flop I folding on the turn, but against more players I would call down. Just one of those spots where you hate life lol.
     
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