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AA river spot early $100 23kgar

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  1. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:28pm)

    no real reads on villain, i know he is german too and somewhat a solid mid stakes grinder
    idk the hand get me confusing what hand would he checking the flop back and raising the river??
    seems this like a move??this early??
    WWYD??

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22826732488: $23,500 Guarantee (176141999), Table 15 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:11:32 ET - 2010/08/04
    Seat 1: matze_widi (3,870)
    Seat 2: sadam83 (3,200)
    Seat 3: DerCommander (3,025)
    Seat 4: traneren (2,970)
    Seat 5: SeeDeezNutz09 (2,375)
    Seat 6: gresagr (3,000)
    Seat 7: Kazeev (3,140)
    Seat 8: Nevrgonnawin (6,000)
    Seat 9: fishin man2 (2,980)
    fishin man2 posts the small blind of 10
    matze_widi posts the big blind of 20
    The button is in seat #8
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to matze_widi [As Ad]
    sadam83 folds
    DerCommander raises to 60
    traneren folds
    SeeDeezNutz09 folds
    gresagr has 15 seconds left to act
    gresagr has timed out
    gresagr folds
    gresagr is sitting out
    Kazeev folds
    Nevrgonnawin folds
    gresagr has returned
    fishin man2 calls 50
    matze_widi raises to 240
    DerCommander calls 180
    fishin man2 folds
    *** FLOP *** [6c 2c Jh]
    matze_widi bets 360
    DerCommander calls 360
    *** TURN *** [6c 2c Jh] [Kd]
    matze_widi has 15 seconds left to act
    matze_widi checks
    DerCommander checks
    *** RIVER *** [6c 2c Jh Kd] [9s]
    matze_widi has 15 seconds left to act
    matze_widi has requested TIME
    matze_widi bets 780
    DerCommander raises to 2,400
    matze_widi has 15 seconds left to act
    matze_widi has requested TIME
     
  2. rmull rmull is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:33pm) in reply to matze_widi

    this is a raise/fold imo. would also make the raise between 500-600
     
  3. coolhandkev coolhandkev is online now

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:36pm) in reply to rmull

    I think you have to be dead here, I realllly think he has like exactly 99. There just aren't too many hands that make a lot of sense to me here which I guess could mean he is making a move. Your line looks pretty strong to me, in my opinion it's not a great time for a move which just makes me lean towards him having it. I lay it down.
  4. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:39pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    umm bet turn, fold as played
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  5. kcreaction23x kcreaction23x is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:40pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    Yeah I agree, risk not worth it this early IMO. Check call is probably a better option than bet fold depending on his river bet sizing...66 or 99 def in his playable range here

    although i wonder why he raised and left himself only 25 chips...things like that always get me to think twice and reconsider the line
    Edited By: kcreaction23x Aug 4th, 2010 at 05:43 PM
     
  6. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 5:43pm) in reply to kcreaction23x

    was going to crai turn but not sure on that move eighter, was not really sure weather to c/c or b/f river
     
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  7. 8ntmuch 8ntmuch is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 6:11pm) in reply to matze_widi

    I'm not good enough to fold... but if you have concerns and you bet out on the river what are your thoughts if you get raised? If you don't think you're going to call a shove/raise then check/call.
  8. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 6:24pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

     
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    umm bet turn, fold as played


    agree w/ this
     
  9. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 6:26pm) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    and if ur gonna play it like this, why not c/c river
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  10. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:00pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    yeah i thought about this, thought i would get a bunch of call tho since i checked the turn..
    in retrospect c/c seems prolly better then b/f
     
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  11. The Lab Rat The Lab Rat is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:13pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    Id most likely bet the turn but I dont mind a check to get value from 77-TT Jx hands on the river that may fold the turn if u bet. As played Id b/f the river. I think c/c is fine too




    Edit. I just feel that if he was gonna bluff he'd bet the turn when the king came and try to rep it. I really think he has like 99.
    Edited By: The Lab Rat Aug 4th, 2010 at 07:21 PM
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  12. Flopnuts1 Flopnuts1 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:17pm) in reply to matze_widi

    This is a pretty sick spot. I think 99 makes sense here but wouldn't limit it to that. 66/22 probably raise flop and/or bet turn and a Q10cc or KJcc def fires the turn so I'd rule those out. Based on his flop play I would see him having a Kx flush draw or maybe a less likely Axdd. I think you played it well. No real reason you shouldn't bet for value on that river given his passive play. Check/call is also fine too since you're OOP. As played I probably call/vomit on my keyboard.
    Edited By: Flopnuts1 Aug 4th, 2010 at 07:35 PM
    Reason: incorrect suit
  13. matze_widi matze_widi is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:49pm) in reply to Flopnuts1

    after the hand i asked him what he had and that i made a huge laydown and he told me he had pocket 77´s which obv doesn´t make sense at all but his statement really looked like he indeed had a pp whch prolly was 66 or 99, 99´s are more likely since he didn´t bet the tunr which he prolly would have done with 66´s
     
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  14. VitoRoma VitoRoma is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:55pm) in reply to matze_widi

    i think he missed the flush draw
  15. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 7:57pm) in reply to VitoRoma

    i believe he had 77 if he says so, ur line looks pretty weak and im pretty sure this guy is more than capable to bluff shove river
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  16. squintster squintster is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 8:15pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    his line doesnt look that weak to me, and I could easily see myself putting him on a monster if I'm villain. I'm ruling out 77.
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  17. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 8:23pm) in reply to squintster

    villain probably puts OP on QQ. he slowed down when a scare card comes out and now perceives his river bet as some sort of very thin value or blocking bet.
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 9:13pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

     
    Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster View Post

    i believe he had 77 if he says so, ur line looks pretty weak and im pretty sure this guy is more than capable to bluff shove river

    How does his line possibly look weak?

    Edit: Also 0 chance he had 77. Saying he had 77 after you said you made a big laydown is something I would say too to piss you off a little. No way he had that hand.
    Edited By: coolhandkev Aug 4th, 2010 at 09:16 PM
  19. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 9:18pm) in reply to matze_widi

     
    Originally Posted by matze_widi View Post

    was going to crai turn but not sure on that move eighter, was not really sure weather to c/c or b/f river

    Not sure if this is the best board to try a check raise.

    I also believe villain can have JJ here.
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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 9:59pm) in reply to el arracachero

    I call
  21. el arracachero el arracachero is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 10:19pm) in reply to matze_widi

     
    Originally Posted by matze_widi View Post

    yeah i thought about this, thought i would get a bunch of call tho since i checked the turn..
    in retrospect c/c seems prolly better then b/f

    Not sure about this. I like your initial idea. Here villian´s range with his actions is gonna be made up a decent % of the time by PP and J-x that are checking behind the river. Only he is betting hands that crushed you and bluffs that I thing there are only few in his range. On the opposite, you can have more bluffs in your range, therefore you are more likely to get called in the river.
  22. pokerscrub1 pokerscrub1 is offline

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    Aug 4th, 2010 (8/4/2010 11:26pm) in reply to el arracachero

    I don't like checking the turn in this spot, it really does look like he may have a hand like 99, but i think AQcc is also in his range,i think the villian rarely has 66 in this spot because he is probably raising the flop here and certainly betting the turn after you check it...
    Edited By: pokerscrub1 Aug 4th, 2010 at 11:27 PM
     
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