i felt the same way. but i suck at poker

You picked a really terrible list to use as an example. I play with all of those people way more regularly than Phwap. I know several of them don't even have a significant bankroll. And all but one of those people would be a huge dog to Phwap heads up. I didn't do a ton of research but I'd venture to say I know more about this community and who actually makes money playing poker than 90% of the posters here. The only somewhat legit criticism I've heard is that Ari is ranked too high and isn't playing as well right now as he used to.

EDIT: NVM

All I know is that I've found Aaron to be an extremely insightful and intelligent kid. I think the pro poll is something that he takes seriously---his choice has been to rank the players that he's most impressed by at the tables. He's allowed to make that decision. There have been people removed from pro-polling in the past because it was clear they had a personal agenda in their rankings. I'm confident from talking to Aaron that he's not of that variety---he doesn't think the way everyone else necessarily does. And I certainly don't think that's a bad thing.

Lets just take PearlJammer for an example. Almost all of his scores lately have been for over $1,000, and theres LOTS of them. You can't argue with results like that, and they should be rewarded by being high up in the poll. Having someone with a PLB total not even in the top 100 ranked as #3, and having PJ outside of the top 10, is not accurate, and IMO, should be changed.

Maybe Phwap is one of the most under-rated players...feel free to put him #1 in a "Most Under-rated" Poll. But there should be some justice for the players with indisputable top 10-15 results.

And volume does does does does mean something. If you can play 4 tournaments at a time with a 40% ROI instead of 2 tournaments at a time with a 50% ROI, then that skill set is more profitable and should also be rewarded (Again, just an example).

"Dude", If you are outside the top 100 in the PLB, you do not have the credentials to be the 3rd ranked player. Does THAT make sense?

Feel free to say that's not a good argument, but it's a very good argument.

"if you are outside the top 100 in the PLB, you do not have the credentials to be the 3rd ranked player. Does THAT make sense?"

no it doesn't its just ignorant.

im not sure if colson10 is in the top 100 PLB but he is easily in my top three players.

is inciteful even a word?

No, I'm saying that people like you, Imper1um, and some others have profited for more money in the past year than PHWAP has even cashed for in total.

Look, I have you up high in my pro poll too, I'm not saying anything bad about you being at #1. You play some of the lowest volume of the top 20 and you have some of the biggest cashes.

And I'm definitely not saying Phwap sucks. I bet he would agree that he doesn't belong at #3 though....gotta reward big cashes and consistancy.

dude youre being ridiculous, thats what the pro poll is supposed to be about. not who is the most popular or sitting atop the pokerstars tlb but the players whose game you respect and the ones who give you problems at the table. calling out aaronbeen because phwap isn't well known is nuts and basically goes against the reason for having the poll in the first place.

like pwnasaurus is a great example. most people wouldn't know how good he is unless they play the big tourneys. he doesn't really self promote or have fan boys posting when he wins. plus he's relatively low volume. but he seems to have a formula when he plays, like he will bet his hands the same way with top set of aces and with 9 high. he checks behind on a lot of flops, keeps the pots small and always seems to be in position and control of the hand... i really like the way he plays. to say he doesnt belong in jb's league beacuse he doesn't post on p5s or play everyday is pretty ignorant.

This is sorta like how sbrugby has way more winnings so far this year at nlhe on FTP than genius28, as can be verified on www.highstakesdb.com, yet many people (including myself) think that genius28 would pwn his soul/life in the long run if they played each other for long enough. The pro poll isn't supposed to be based on the plb, or it would be pointless and there would be no reason to have anything other than strictly just a plb. The pro poll is supposed to give an opportunity for those who are most knowledgeable about online poker players to share who in their opinion is the MOST TALENTED. Whether or not that person put in the effort and dedication to put up better results than everyone isn't the issue, but rather strictly how good they are skill-wise compared to everyone else. Just like I doubt ANYONE would agree that Tuan Le is a better poker player than Phil Ivey just because Tuan Le has a lot more tourney winnings than Phil Ivey. etc

what's the deal with colson10 and foshio not being candidates?

Wow, this is kind of heated.

What I want to know is why AaronBeen didn't rank me in his top 10? Like, I totally won an Ocean's 13 signed DVD. That's gotta count more than a Sunday Million that's always loaded with guppies.

Are you fucking kidding me AaronBeen? You are actually giving your opinion on the highly opinionated pro-poll (completely based on who each pro thinks are the top players online). Is this a fucking joke? Am I going over-the-top with my sarcasm?