Yes another PLO8 post, figured might switch things up from JJ did this, X has 50,000 accounts, etc...

pokerstars Game: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/08/17 - 01:35:45 (ET)
Table 'Gaea' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mustafa ($206.25 in chips)
Seat 2: VILLIAN ($247.70 in chips)
Seat 3: paul0712 ($117.35 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO ($207.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Sensor ($305.95 in chips)
Seat 6: missysbuddy ($223.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Dorsal Fin 7 ($330.05 in chips)
Seat 8: TheSpecialst ($160 in chips)
Seat 9: excel12 ($215.30 in chips)
excel12: posts small blind $1
mustafa: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ac Th 4c 5h]
VILLIAN: raises $4 to $6
paul0712: folds
HERO: calls $6
Sensor: folds
missysbuddy: folds
Dorsal Fin 7: folds
TheSpecialst: calls $6
excel12: folds
mustafa: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Kc Ts]
VILLIAN: checks
HERO: checks
TheSpecialst: checks
*** TURN *** [3h Kc Ts] [2h]
VILLIAN: bets $18
HERO: raises $55.95 to $73.95

Villian bets out on the 2h on the turn for almost a pot sized bet...How the HELL could a 2h make his hand if he is raising from UTG? Anybody else play it like this??? Come on Ari, I know you want to respond to a PLO8 thread!

With 2 to come absolutely if it was 32K(T), 2 hearts...This is a wet dream...

BUT this is only with one to come...Is there any drawing hand with one to come that is worth this bet? AND what do we do if we brick??

as a general rule i've heard, if someone chooses not to bet pot in pot limit, it should raise your eyebrows, so yeh i think i raise sometime, but its def a bluff (semi-bluff) (of course every once in a while your bluffing w/ the best hand.) I'm getting concerned about his reraising frequencies. I'm assuming he's relatively tight, at least i hope so, bec. u def dont want a guy that is gonna repush light. Assuming he's your reg 1-2 player, he's gonna call a large amt of the time in this spot, and then honestly on a blank riv, i might just check through, although i'll prob pot just to get out the a,k,low,x hand. But after he calls the turn, and checks blank riv to you, you're A)likely go B)def not gonna get called by a worse hand C)unlikely to get many hands that beat you to fold. but i'm still up in the air, many times i just auto push here (not auto-time wise, auto in my mind wise).

Your hand has so many drawing possibilities that I have called the turn in this spot, but i'm unsure how good a move that is.

Yeah this is the typical 1-2 player...He's pretty decent, tight, not insane...

I was going over this hand while I'm at work today because it was the last I played last nite and I just HATE calling here...Maybe against a guy who will, as you say, 3-bet light, but against a tight player does the potential FE here make raising a better play and take out the fact that we are raising with only one to come? I hate getting into calling mode in PLO8 (probably my biggest leak), I'd much rather be raising in most spots than calling just in case the river doesn't make my hand, I can dictate the action and if the river does hit my had I can dictate the river action...

I can't see him having 32 and betting now and not betting the flop...I guess since the table showed weakness its a good play, but I just can't see how a 2 can help him...

"when raising in hilo u are just raising your variance" but if it increases your equity, who cares? variance is something to be embraced not feared.

Remember his raise is coming from UTG...Can we really put a villian on a hand that contains an A4 in it from raising UTG? Yes there are possibilities, but they'd have to be AA4x, A24x, A234 type hands (at least I would think), something to that effect...I can't imagine anybody in a 1/2 game would be raising UTG with a hand like AK45 since this was a tight, solid player...Now not saying that hand is crap (unsooted its a little marginal, especially to be raising UTG)...I mean I'm effing nuts at a table and unless I was feelin' my Wheaties that day I wouldn't raise a hand like AK45ss from UTG...

will he fold an AA45/ type hand on the river if a qs rivers?, if he does and you are razing the turn to set up a bluff on a brick river then i like the bet.. i'm used to nplaying hu freezouts though where stacks aren't so deep, but if you're firing turn to set up bluff i like it bec then you have practiaclly the whole deck as real+ fake outs. if he's a calling station then I don't like it bec you're deep enough to flatcall and get paid off if you make your hand without pointlessly putting extra money in pot with a hand that has less than 50% equity.

That is where the problem arises. His range seems to be very small and his line is very strange. I could see the villan having a hand like Ah Kh Kx X(2-5) where you are drawing only to half or 1/4. The problem is what hand would he raise UTG, check flop, pot turn.

I believe the raise is the best play because you find out where you are at in the hand. If the villain jams, I might have to put him on a slowplayed monster, KKAx or AAxx with nut flush draw, and fold to the pot reraise. I believe it is all a matter of what you put him on and are you willing to gamble.

I call my stack most of the time here. You have the non-heart aces, fours, fives and sixes for the nut-nut; and hearts or even a ten could be live, although unlikely.

Good luck to you and how did the hand play out?

Opponent was tight-solid...Raising definitely allowed me the option to take the action away from him and bet a brick on the river...

Phi, I'll post the results by like 4...Just want to see if the discussion starts to fade before I do so...

Slow played monster? I don't know, can you really afford to slowplay trip Ks OOP here? I can't see doing it on this flop and giving a Broadway wrap the potential to draw for free...Now if there were 2 low cards in addition to the K and you had the low draw then yeah you could potentially do it...But at that time you would have to KNOW one of your opponents is gonna bet because giving away a free card is death, as you know...

I just couldn't really put him on a hand where that 2h helped him THAT much that he can now commit a PSB on the turn...I figured there might be some FE in the raise because of that...

I'll give you an example of this being opponent dependent...If this was mustafa, I'm 10000% calling here because he's a tight nit who only plays the nuts...He doesn't get too cute so I'd suspect him for a set of 2s with a low draw here and I'm not pushing him off of a hand regardless of the river...

Against this villian I thought of him as TAG and who wouldn't 3-bet light or couldn't call a huge bet on the river if he missed a draw and was light...

I guess my inexperience is showing. Counterpoint accepted.

Hey Tarvin, no problem...When I first started out I was scared to death to play anything other than A2 hands and hands like AA45 scared the hell outta me...It's all about experience...

no but since we don't know`which cards mucked we have to consider them all equally likely to be left in the deck, so the fact that we don'y know what was folded is irrelevant bec there are still 44 unkown cards and about half of them make your hand obv you could be drawing 100% or 0%.. but its safe to assume a normal distribution and your equity around 50%

phi, why in the world would u fold if he pot reriased. u put in 90 no to call a reriase with them draws and 120 left, nuts