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Aces folded preflop.....GENIUS imo

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  1. hytop hytop is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:36pm)

    This was a must fold imo....am i retarded , sick etc?
    This is a $50 double or nothing....top 5 get $100...6th nada....

    pokerstars Game #22541108770: Tournament #124285378, $50+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/12/01 19:26:13 ET
    Table '124285378 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: nattybohman (2690 in chips)
    Seat 2: ElDonkeyFish (1335 in chips)
    Seat 3: GoHDeviL (2550 in chips)
    Seat 8: SRIVICK (1990 in chips)
    Seat 9: Dixx (460 in chips)
    Seat 10: 53495 (5975 in chips)
    nattybohman: posts the ante 15
    ElDonkeyFish: posts the ante 15
    GoHDeviL: posts the ante 15
    SRIVICK: posts the ante 15
    Dixx: posts the ante 15
    53495: posts the ante 15
    Dixx: posts small blind 75
    53495: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ElDonkeyFish [Ac Ad]
    nattybohman: raises 300 to 450
    ElDonkeyFish has timed out
    ElDonkeyFish: folds
    ElDonkeyFish is sitting out
    GoHDeviL: folds
    SRIVICK: folds
    ElDonkeyFish has returned
    Dixx: calls 370 and is all-in
    53495: calls 300
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Qc 9s]
    53495: checks
    nattybohman: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh Qc 9s] [2s]
    53495: checks
    nattybohman: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jh Qc 9s 2s] [Js]
    53495: checks
    nattybohman: bets 300
    53495: folds
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to nattybohman
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    nattybohman: shows [Jc Jd] (four of a kind, Jacks)
    nattybohman collected 10 from side pot
    Dixx: shows [Kc Td] (a straight, Nine to King)
    nattybohman collected 1425 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1435 Main pot 1425. Side pot 10. | Rake 0
    Board [Jh Qc 9s 2s Js]
    Seat 1: nattybohman showed [Jc Jd] and won (1435) with four of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 2: ElDonkeyFish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: GoHDeviL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: SRIVICK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Dixx (small blind) showed [Kc Td] and lost with a straight, Nine to King
    Seat 10: 53495 (big blind) folded on the River
  2. Frenchy616 Frenchy616 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:49pm) in reply to hytop

    Wait wait wait, were you already sitting out or were you debating a call? If you folded there because you were scared of losing that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen! Lucky for you it worked out
  3. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:51pm) in reply to Frenchy616

    easy fold
  4. hytop hytop is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:52pm) in reply to Frenchy616

    i was debating the call...the seconds ran down...
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  5. Gforce786 Gforce786 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:54pm) in reply to hytop

    and if the board came AAx you would have killed yourself by now.
  6. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 6:56pm) in reply to hytop

    if he shoved i would insta fold, since he only made it 450, if u call and the shorty calls, it will almost defenitly get checked down every time and now u make the short have to beat the other guy and u with AA.

    problems include when shorty folds or when shorty tripples up.

    i probably still lean towards a fold but i defenitly have to think about it
     
  7. Jennifear Jennifear is online now

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 7:01pm) in reply to hytop

    Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH width=40>PU</TH><TH width=40>CA</TH><TH width=40>OC</TH><TH>Range</TH></TR><TR><TD>UTG</TD><TD><TD><TD>21.3%, 22+ A3s+ A9o+ K7s+ KJo+ Q8s+ QJo J8s+ T8s+ 98s<<what he should be shoving if all opponents are calling correctly </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>UTG+1</TD><TD><TD>0.0%, <<Your calling range</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>1.4%, QQ+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>CO</TD><TD><TD>0.0%, </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>0.9%, KK+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD>0.0%, </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>1.4%, QQ+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>9.5%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>2.3%, TT+ </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>0.5%, AA </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    ICM Nash Calculator Results

    Add to this that other people are often really bad and might bust before they should, and this is even an easier fold than Nash suggests.

    Good fold.
  8. hytop hytop is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 7:17pm) in reply to Jennifear

    wow , thanks for the nash. and input. TBH i was folding 100% - i was calling my wife over too look , but damn the pokerstars clock....
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  9. CJDeman CJDeman is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 8:11pm) in reply to hytop

    Interesting. I would almost certainly have shoved there. Shows how very very little I know about poker
     
  10. MuiMuiBueno MuiMuiBueno is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 8:29pm) in reply to CJDeman

     
    Originally Posted by CJDeman View Post

    Interesting. I would almost certainly have shoved there. Shows how very very little I know about poker

    this is a DON thats y folding AA on bubble or 7handed if u have a top 3 stack etc and r virtually guaranteed to cash then folding is fine. however in this spot i think calling the original raise is better like okse said since u further increase odds of eliminating shortstack
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