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  1. Cmac Cmac is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 1:51am)

    i've slowly been making my way to the omaha hi cash games. im starting at the lowest stakes to hone my game. for those of you a little more experienced at the game...i have a question?

    1) what are your odds with aces preflop against a random hand? against another pair?

    2) how do you feel and what are good situations to get your money in preflop with aces or kings??

    thanks for any help
  2. dave118 dave118 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 9:49am) in reply to Cmac

    You should really get Capaletti's book on Omaha. It's fairly easy to get through and has a whole section on how various hands fare vs other hands. On the aces, in Omaha 8B, there are actually many situations when you should fold them. Obvioously, depends on your other two cards but generally you want to get heads up.
  3. Drarr Drarr is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 10:14am) in reply to Cmac

    Try having a play with P5s Card Calculator, you can set it up for omaha or omaha o/8 hands. The link's over on the side bar.

    1) Probably the best hand in O/8, AA23 double suited, is only a 66% favorite against another random hand. In Omaha High or Hi-Lo the board has so much more influence on your hand compaired to Hold'em, which means no starting hand is that much of a favorite preflop.

    2) How do I feel when I push preflop? Anywhere from slightly cautious to terrified. Good situations? When I have 10x my opponents stack? :o)
  4. dhubermex dhubermex is offline Senior Writer

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 10:37am) in reply to Cmac

    Here's a link to my favorite article covering how to play AAxx in Pot-Limit Omaha Hi...

    http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/pot-limit/

    It's written by WSOP Omaha Bracelet winner Steve Badger. Hope this helps.
     
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 10:56am) in reply to dhubermex

    Thanks for posting that, I was able to pick up a few things from it.
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 11:06am) in reply to Cmac

    In omaha/8 aces are absolutely worthless unless you have some nice low cards to go along with them. for example AA23,AA2x. AA3x is even a marginal hand unless you have a suited ace in there.
    Suited aces greatly increase the value of your hand as the point of hi-lo games is to play hands that can scoop the pot. If you dont play hands that have scoop potential you will not consistently beat the game
  7. HK_MP5N HK_MP5N is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 11:37am) in reply to Cmac

    The Omaha 8/b chapter in Super System II helped me tremendously.
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 12:05pm) in reply to HK_MP5N

    I agree, Capelleti's book is only good if you have played less than 1000 Omaha 8/b hands. There just isn't enough in there about turn and river play (which is where good, but not great, players lose the most money). It's easy to write a book saying play A2xx or any 3 low cards (234, A34, ect.) but there has to be focus on more than starting hand requirements to have a complete understanding of the game.
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 12:18pm) in reply to dhubermex

    Do you mean like holding AAAA? Oh go all in definately quads right????
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 2:29pm) in reply to dhubermex

    thanks for the help guys. so capalettis book is the best ?
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 4:20pm) in reply to Cmac

    what about a situation where someone pots and you repot preflop in position, the original raiser is the only caller. the board looks fairly clean...and the player checks to you. you only have your aces here still, how are some different way you would play this? i'd assume with only one caller that the majority of the time theyd hold, but i guess I'd have to at least throw out some sort of feeler bet, and if I'm raised on the flop chuck it???
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 6:09pm) in reply to Cmac

    The answers to your questions vary greatly depending on the type of Omaha High you are playing. Pot-limit Omaha (which I made a final table in this year at the WSOP) is a very different beast than limit. Also, cash games are very different than tournments. Cappelletti's book on high-lo mentioned by other responses above won't help you very much for a high only game because of the very different starting hand requirements. In general, you want four cards that work easily together. That means that the aces you ask about above have very different odds depending on the other two cards with them. Example, Ac-Ad-Jh-6s is a raising hand in any cash game, but I wouldn't be looking to get it all in with it. On the other hand, Ac-8c-As-9s is a very strong hand in a PLO cash game. It provides you many more opportunities to put in a big bet on the flop because of the redraws despite it looking similar to the first hand. For limit, the best hands are double suited connectors like Ac-Kh-Qh-10c, etc. Finally, I'm basically never looking to get it all-in preflop with kings unless the other cards are extremely strong or I am very short stacked. Kings will very rarely hold up by the river and they basically only improve on the flop by flopping a set. An "overpair" is a Hold-em concept, not an Omaha concept. Hope all this helps.

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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 6:17pm) in reply to Cmac

    Again, this will depend on how deep stacked you are. If a pot sized bet on the flop would put you all-in or close to it, then you should do it in the above situation. Otherwise, why did you raise at all? On the other hand with a "clean board" (i'm guessing this means something like J-8-4 rainbow) always bet at least half the pot. By doing that, you make it wrong (mathmatically) for them to call with just one draw, give them enough incentive to raise you big enough with a strong hand that you can get away from yours (i.e. he flopped a set or a wrap), bet big enough that you could get a free card by checking behind him on the turn if you think you need one (i.e. you think he called you with two pair or two draws), and half the pot is big enough to get him to lay down anything smaller than aces before he catches some two-outer.
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 10:17pm) in reply to erbloore

    thanks a lot erbloore that advice helped out a lot. congrats on the wsop final table, was it the one that arieh won? that mustve been a great experience.
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    Feb 9th, 2006 (2/9/2006 10:53pm) in reply to Cmac

    careful overplayin AA.... but dont scare urself off of it either. If youre going to be playing the hand heads up.. AAxx is better than AKQJ ds anyday.
    this is a good intro from pscrew.
    http://www.pscrew.com/mambo/index.ph...&Itemid=44
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    Feb 10th, 2006 (2/10/2006 5:30am) in reply to DexterCain

    BUMP
    good stretegy thraed
    more replies please
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    Feb 10th, 2006 (2/10/2006 5:47am) in reply to Cmac

    Super System 2 has a good section on PLO. Worth reading.
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    Feb 10th, 2006 (2/10/2006 9:09pm) in reply to Cmac

    ty. just trying to establish a little credibility if i'm going to go into this much detail. actually, it was the one Barry Greenstein won. He caught one of the two remaining twos on the river to put me out. if that's not exciting, I don't know what is. lol.

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