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adjusting calling/shoving ranges to nowadays players

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  1. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Aug 17th, 2010 (8/17/2010 9:23pm)

    Ok so we all noticed the competion got tougher these days than a few years ago; players are very aggresive they shove a lot and i mean a lot..calling was never considered to be very good in poker but i find myself calling pretty loose now given the fact guys steal so many blinds.. so this is on my mind.. shall i call something decent in the bb or not.. and here s what happened to me today in a 22 $ double or nothing.

    I had 1700 at 200 bb, my stack was average; 2 more players to go.. the sb shoves about 17 bbs stack, i fold A9 off. Should this be anything else but double or nothing it s an insta call 4 me but double or noting 'correct' strategy is to have a tight calling range. And after a while i find myself with 1100 stack at bb 200 after i post the small blind. The big blind has 1550 stack. And i shove. And he calls K5 off.
    That made me mad; i mean what is the correct strategy against these guys? I had J2 off and i got lucky but i was shocked by his call honestly and when i saw he called my 1st thought was ' i made a big mistake not calling the A9 before' .
    So if he thinks i shove any 2 in the sb, which it happened i was, but i wanna mention i didnt steal his blind the previous orbits nor did i show any wild shove patterns in my game; so ,to me, he had no reason to believe i was shoving any 2; i m not an idiot, should i have stolen recently i d just fold the junk but i didnt steal recently and that s why i got from 1700 to 1200. So , given my relatively tight image and his stack size( he wasnt desperate nor a chipleader) his call shocked me and made me ponder over today s players.
    Should i have called with A9? I do believe playing against these guys i should, cause i cant really steal their blinds it seems. Any feedback and thoughts will be highly appreciated.
    Edited By: luckierno7 Aug 18th, 2010 at 09:22 PM
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  2. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 12:06am) in reply to luckierno7

    Call the A9o...ur usually way ahead, meaning at least 60-70% equity most of the time, and at worst 50%, then maybe 30%. The only way you should be folding is if you are close to the bubble in these with other shorter stacks around. Shove wide on the idiots bvb, shove tighter on regs, and vice versa if you are in bb. Call decently tight in bb, call loose against the regs.

    EDIT: Stealing blinds is more for other positions at the table. Stealing bvb is not really possible when effective stacks are <15bbs.
    Edited By: bef99hwk Aug 18th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
  3. iPlayTourneys iPlayTourneys is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 12:18am) in reply to bef99hwk

    if you use enters, it would be easier to read..
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  4. Jverse Jverse is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 12:24am) in reply to iPlayTourneys

     
    Originally Posted by iPlayTourneys View Post

    if you use enters, it would be easier to read..

    ^^
  5. litlebullet litlebullet is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 12:25am) in reply to Jverse

    don't play dons
    problem solved.
  6. luckierno7 luckierno7 is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 9:23pm) in reply to litlebullet

    :d ty; i dont really play dons; i just started to clear a 1k bonus and i kinda have 2 since there s not a lot of traffic there;
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  7. Raoeoiku Raoeoiku is offline

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    Aug 18th, 2010 (8/18/2010 10:53pm) in reply to luckierno7

    Calling with the A9o would be a mistake. The sb should be pushing any 2 against you, and there isn't anything you can do about it other than wake up with a good pair. Specifically about 88+ (even AKs should be folded, as it doesn't win often enough against a random hand). Of course, if you feel he's pushing any tighter than any two, you should be calling even tighter than 88+.

    If you know the bb player is calling with the correct range, the J2o hand is really close, depending on whether you mean he had a 1550 stack before or after posting his bb. However, as this player is obviously calling far wider than he should, your only option is to tighten up you pushing ranges.

    In SNGs nearing significant bubbles where people make mistakes and call to wide, what happens is both the caller and the player who are called lose equity. This means that even if you may push with a proper range against a someone assuming they called with the perfect range, if they call more often than they should playing this way will only end up costing you money. The equity lost by the players in the hand is then gained by the players not involved in the hand, who profit by the increased chances of a player being eliminated or crippled.

    What this all means is you end up having to play even tighter against these types of players. By doing so, you'll often end up squeaking into the money because your opponents clash too often with weaker hands than they should, and you will be the beneficiary.
     
  8. ManchVegasPwn ManchVegasPwn is offline

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    Aug 19th, 2010 (8/19/2010 12:12am) in reply to Raoeoiku

     
    Originally Posted by Raoeoiku View Post

    Calling with the A9o would be a mistake. The sb should be pushing any 2 against you, and there isn't anything you can do about it other than wake up with a good pair. Specifically about 88+ (even AKs should be folded, as it doesn't win often enough against a random hand). Of course, if you feel he's pushing any tighter than any two, you should be calling even tighter than 88+.

    If you know the bb player is calling with the correct range, the J2o hand is really close, depending on whether you mean he had a 1550 stack before or after posting his bb. However, as this player is obviously calling far wider than he should, your only option is to tighten up you pushing ranges.

    In SNGs nearing significant bubbles where people make mistakes and call to wide, what happens is both the caller and the player who are called lose equity. This means that even if you may push with a proper range against a someone assuming they called with the perfect range, if they call more often than they should playing this way will only end up costing you money. The equity lost by the players in the hand is then gained by the players not involved in the hand, who profit by the increased chances of a player being eliminated or crippled.

    What this all means is you end up having to play even tighter against these types of players. By doing so, you'll often end up squeaking into the money because your opponents clash too often with weaker hands than they should, and you will be the beneficiary.

    gr8 post... agree 100%
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