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Adjusting to losing/winning players at the 10-75$ level

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  1. TFly33 TFly33 is offline

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    Jul 25th, 2010 (7/25/2010 6:59pm)

    Ok so we are playing the daily double or big double or fifty fifty... etc
    We OPR a player and he is -20% roi over 2000 tournaments with a ABI of 50$
    I understand that different players are losing for different reasons, but in general how are you adjusting your play to such a player?
    Generally it seems to me that this is the type of player whose call/shove ranges are wayyy to tight and often fold to 3bets/4bets in spots when they dont realize how often they should be calling.

    Thoughts?
  2. MadTiger MadTiger is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 2:29am) in reply to TFly33

    Those numbers won't really tell you the story. There are so many ways to get to that point (-20%).

    After a few orbits, THEN you will have a better idea of what's going on.
  3. iLLNuGWichee iLLNuGWichee is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 3:14am) in reply to MadTiger

    Who is this "we" that you speak of?
     
  4. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 3:20am) in reply to iLLNuGWichee

    theres many ways to lose. the player could be playing wayy too tight or wayy too loose. they under value or over value the strength of their hand.
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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 1:41pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    you can make number of assumptions based on how many tournies they've played, their ABI as well as the ROI - and adjust accordingly*- but it wont give you much insight into the players style
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    Sometimes i look at the % of when they bust out and that can tell you a little about their style
    e.g
    if its someone who has a high % of Early, Early-Mid bustouts i'd assume they're too loose, have trouble laying down a hand and are likely to make too many bluffs
    If the person has a high % of Mid bustouts i assume they are too tight, maybe passive and if they are betting strong they normally are - they're only 3 betting AA,KK,QQ etc
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    Thier sample size affects how strong this read is.......you still have to observe to back up the read and its only generally speaking but its a something to look for
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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 2:44pm) in reply to Nuggett

    I'm not sure if they have a trend line charts in terms of OPR stats, but as a market trader I would put much more stock in overall trend lines than the bottom line number. Bad players can improve. I.E. EVERY POCKET FIVER! Ever...
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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 2:54pm) in reply to TheBigBally

    Dumb question, but...are you allowed to look at OPR while playing? I thought it might be against TOS
     
  8. TFly33 TFly33 is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 3:06pm) in reply to ATrainBoston

     
    Originally Posted by ATrainBoston View Post

    Dumb question, but...are you allowed to look at OPR while playing? I thought it might be against TOS

    I was under the impression that you just cant bring up the stats in the chatbox
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  9. Nuggett Nuggett is offline

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    Jul 26th, 2010 (7/26/2010 4:56pm) in reply to ATrainBoston

     
    Originally Posted by ATrainBoston View Post

    Dumb question, but...are you allowed to look at OPR while playing? I thought it might be against TOS

    Its allowed...

    http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/
    Edited By: Nuggett Jul 26th, 2010 at 04:57 PM
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