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Advice in hand vs ImaLuckSac in Wed. Quarter Mill

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  1. TwinMSU TwinMSU is offline DO NOT TRADE -- Money Transfer Scammer

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 4:17am)

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    Sitting with 42 BBs

    ImaLuckSac have been playing pretty solid, been at his table for quite some time and haven't seen him get out of line (TAG). Im usually pretty aggro, but my image was pretty nitty. Tourney has a decent structure, I was sitting and picking my spots.

    pokerstars Game #32106393074: Tournament #188959997, $300+$20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (1500/3000) - 2009/08/27 3:09:03 ET
    Table '188959997 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Loser_Koki (161232 in chips)
    Seat 2: stockcar99 (110470 in chips)
    Seat 3: TwinMSU (127899 in chips)
    Seat 4: ImaLuckSac (120136 in chips)
    Seat 5: DeuceBuster (58989 in chips)
    Seat 6: lechuckpoker (215773 in chips)
    Seat 7: ForRealDD (212151 in chips)
    Seat 8: camoflge (196554 in chips)
    Seat 9: Sowerss (368252 in chips)
    Loser_Koki: posts the ante 300
    stockcar99: posts the ante 300
    TwinMSU: posts the ante 300
    ImaLuckSac: posts the ante 300
    DeuceBuster: posts the ante 300
    lechuckpoker: posts the ante 300
    ForRealDD: posts the ante 300
    camoflge: posts the ante 300
    Sowerss: posts the ante 300
    Sowerss: posts small blind 1500
    Loser_Koki: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TwinMSU [Kd Ac]
    stockcar99: folds
    TwinMSU: raises 4550 to 7550
    ImaLuckSac: raises 12650 to 20200
    DeuceBuster: folds
    lechuckpoker: folds
    ForRealDD: folds
    camoflge: folds
    Sowerss: folds
    Loser_Koki: folds
    TwinMSU: ???

    WWYD here... Shove, 4bet/call or call?? oh... or fold of course (lol) (Playing to win obv)

    Edit: I kno this hand is pretty std

    Edit for RESULTS: I shoved and he had JJ. Flop J and I'm drawn dead.
     
  2. eatyourstack eatyourstack is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 4:31am) in reply to TwinMSU

    4 bet call shove is pretty standard here but I think he is not folding it's probably QQ+ AK he can get away from JJ but if u are playing to win I 4-bet call shove. Flat is pretty bad oop there vs good opponent
     
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:16am) in reply to eatyourstack

    Yea im pretty sure the optimal line here is 4bet/call shove. Just wondering if anybody find other ways to play this hand and why??

    I think over playing AK is one of my many leaks and just wondering if folding is ever an option? (seems so exploitable)

    QQ+, AK and maybe JJ is his range. Do I really wanna get them in hoping im 50/50 with such a good structure?
     
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  4. EddieO EddieO is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:19am) in reply to TwinMSU

    I can't believe this tourney goes this late holey crap
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:21am) in reply to EddieO

    blame it on the good structure yo
     
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  6. Jax0910 Jax0910 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:24am) in reply to TwinMSU

    Cant decide wether to 4 bet call or just shove. Against someone bad id 4 bet smallish to induce shoves
  7. ImaLuckSac ImaLuckSac is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:24am) in reply to TwinMSU

    obv shove -and- I'm never folding, but u don't know that with 100% certainty
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:28am) in reply to TwinMSU

    he could fold. j9s seems good enough
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  9. MastaP89 MastaP89 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:37am) in reply to TwinMSU

     
    Originally Posted by TwinMSU View Post


    I think over playing AK is one of my many leaks

    there is no such thing as overplaying AK with 42bbs
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 5:45am) in reply to MastaP89

     
    Originally Posted by MastaP89 View Post

    there is no such thing as overplaying AK with 42bbs

    word... don't remember saying there was a such thing though
     
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  11. Bruno_Baller Bruno_Baller is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 6:19am) in reply to TwinMSU

    i'd fold
  12. Hoobangin Hoobangin is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 6:47am) in reply to Bruno_Baller

    Slowroll shove obv...
     
  13. shuggen shuggen is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 9:54am) in reply to TwinMSU

    type in the chat that you'd like to fondle his luck sac, then shove when he's distracted
  14. Sandman_Good Sandman_Good is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:09am) in reply to TwinMSU

    I was railing this table so I will be shhhhhhh...

    but knowing the results..I think you were fine and most people ( would love to know who wouldn't)

    would not do what you did.

    and then that damn ten on the river to counterfit....I think you left saying..FML...

    Nice finish tho..
  15. wny2nyc47 wny2nyc47 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:14am) in reply to Sandman_Good

     
    Originally Posted by Sandman_Good View Post

    I was railing this table so I will be shhhhhhh...

    What happened to this part again?
  16. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:19am) in reply to TwinMSU

    i don't think were ever folding here even w/ his image. Min 4 bet to 38600 to make your hand look as strong as possible
     
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:30am) in reply to TwinMSU

    Why 4 bet? Just shove.
     
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:34am) in reply to wny2nyc47

    The ten on the river that I speak of was a completely different hand. He will know what Im talking about.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 10:35am) in reply to wny2nyc47

     
    Originally Posted by wny2nyc47 View Post

    What happened to this part again?

    The ten on the river that I speak of was a completely different hand. He will know what Im talking about.
  20. Whatshoulditbe Whatshoulditbe is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 11:00am) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by CalBandGreat View Post

    Why 4 bet? Just shove.

    4betting allows so much more to happen. OBV vs lucksack He would know were not 4bet folding here but against randos they percieve this as a bluff and will 5bet shove lite. and 4bet shoving only allows better or racing hands to call.
     
  21. the_dean22 the_dean22 is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 11:12am) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

    u aren't really deep enough to 4bet with illusion of FE so just shove.
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 11:13am) in reply to Whatshoulditbe

    No offense but if you dont know what to do w/ this hand at this stage of a MTT as tuff as the 320$ , then you might wanna re-eval why your playing in it....

    yfm
     
  23. ImaLucSac ImaLucSac is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 11:58am) in reply to spiderweb80

    Im not really sure how you are supposed to play it besides get it in. Kevin is never playing nitty enough for you to fold AK in this spot.
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  24. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 12:15pm) in reply to TwinMSU

    Just shove, if you wanted to 4b bluff here you would just shove for maximum FE.
     
  25. Bdybldngpkrplyr Bdybldngpkrplyr is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 12:31pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

    you have AK........
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  26. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 12:45pm) in reply to ImaLuckSac

     
    Originally Posted by ImaLuckSac View Post

    obv shove -and- I'm never folding, but u don't know that with 100% certainty

    Making sure I understand this right...ur never folding in just this spot with this certain hand, or always?
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 12:55pm) in reply to bef99hwk

     
    Originally Posted by bef99hwk View Post

    Making sure I understand this right...ur never folding in just this spot with this certain hand, or always?

    he means hes never 3 bet folding
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 1:09pm) in reply to Bruno_Baller

    if hes never 3b/folding then its prob a fold(lol). doubt hes actually that nitty tho, so dont

    i would super snap shove in hopes that he might level himself into folding the bottom part of his value range
     
  29. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 1:10pm) in reply to Bruno_Baller

     
    Originally Posted by Bruno_Baller View Post

    he means hes never 3 bet folding

    Surely he 3b/f as a bluff SOMETIMES...that's what I was asking :)
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    Aug 27th, 2009 (8/27/2009 1:11pm) in reply to CalBandGreat

     
    Originally Posted by CalBandGreat View Post

    Why 4 bet? Just shove.

    What the fuck is with everyone talking about 4-bet/calling? That's so atrocious I don't understand why anyone wouldn't just shove, you should be reshipping on AKo as well as AA or KK or bluff, if you start pulling this bullshit 4-betting meta-game you're just giving him room to get away from his AQs which he might call you on if you just shove.
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