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Advice needed, FT bubble of $11 180-man

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  1. Jason2890 Jason2890 is offline plays plo for overlays

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 12:54am)

    FT bubble of $11 180-man, I am chipleader and feel that I have a huge edge on the field. Everyone has been playing passively and without much thought. NeillyAA has been playing pretty LAG, abusing the FT bubble. Not really worried about him. brazil42070 had been playing pretty tight since I got to the table, but I have no numbers or anything to back that up. How do you proceed here? Flatting obviously out of the question. Do you shove or fold here? This is a non-turbo so I am not really pressured to accumulate chips quickly if that factors into the decision making.

    pokerstars Game #52500590562: Tournament #330193507, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2010/11/10 19:37:07 ET
    Table '330193507 18' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: jason2890 (54985 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hegeldom (22599 in chips)
    Seat 4: 1MoreNguyen (16334 in chips)
    Seat 6: NeillyAA (45066 in chips)
    Seat 9: brazil42070 (20120 in chips)
    jason2890: posts the ante 75
    Hegeldom: posts the ante 75
    1MoreNguyen: posts the ante 75
    NeillyAA: posts the ante 75
    brazil42070: posts the ante 75
    brazil42070: posts small blind 400
    jason2890: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jason2890 [9s 9c]
    Hegeldom: folds
    1MoreNguyen: folds
    NeillyAA: raises 1200 to 2000
    brazil42070: raises 18045 to 20045 and is all-in
    jason2890: ???

    EDIT: here's another hand that I want people's opinions on that came up when we were 4-handed at FT. Payouts levels to take into consideration are as follows:

    1. $540.00
    2. $360.00
    3. $214.20
    4. $144.00

    PokerStars Game #52502991244: Tournament #330193507, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2010/11/10 20:35:14 ET
    Table '330193507 18' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: jason2890 (74233 in chips)
    Seat 2: Hegeldom (35446 in chips)
    Seat 3: hndsmpete5c (81259 in chips)
    Seat 6: NeillyAA (79062 in chips)
    jason2890: posts the ante 200
    Hegeldom: posts the ante 200
    hndsmpete5c: posts the ante 200
    NeillyAA: posts the ante 200
    NeillyAA: posts small blind 1000
    jason2890: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to jason2890 [Td Tc]
    Hegeldom: folds
    hndsmpete5c: folds
    NeillyAA: raises 3000 to 5000
    jason2890: raises 7225 to 12225
    NeillyAA: raises 66637 to 78862 and is all-in
    jason2890: ???

    Does ICM play a role in this scenario? NeillyAA is the same LAG player from the first hand, so I know he is fully capable of re-shipping light here. Opinions? How is my 3-bet sizing? What is a typical LAG player's range 4-handed to be 4-bet shipping? My table image is fairly TAG and I have been card dead since we were 7-handed and haven't done a whole lot out of the occasional 3-bet and stealing blinds uncontested.
    Edited By: Jason2890 Nov 11th, 2010 at 02:24 AM
    Reason: added another hand
  2. ripomatic ripomatic is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:07am) in reply to Jason2890

    easy fold.....unless you enjoy flipping (at best) when you clearly have a CL and an edge!
  3. chiptaker31 chiptaker31 is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:10am) in reply to ripomatic

    easy fold. you have plenty of chips to keep chipping up without a problem. and good shot to ship it with one or two more big hands
  4. mapunk mapunk is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:14am) in reply to chiptaker31

    lol nm
    Edited By: mapunk Nov 11th, 2010 at 01:18 AM
    Reason: sigh, misread
     
  5. Superleggera Superleggera is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:27am) in reply to mapunk

    I fold, but reship w/ JJ+, AK, and maybe AQs depending on the table.
  6. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:44am) in reply to Superleggera

    Fold but your edge isnt that big. Get that thinking out of your head immediatly.
  7. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:51am) in reply to Superleggera

     
    Originally Posted by Superleggera View Post

    I fold, but reship w/ JJ+, AK, and maybe AQs depending on the table.

    Really? I don''t think AQ is a re-ship at all
  8. NarcoCop NarcoCop is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 1:54am) in reply to SlayNL

    u obv don't have a huge edge if your even thinking about this.
     
  9. Superleggera Superleggera is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 2:03am) in reply to SlayNL

     
    Originally Posted by SlayNL View Post

    Really? I don''t think AQ is a re-ship at all

    I normally wouldn't either (especially in this situation since OP says villain has been tight) but in some cases when I know someone is capable of 3betting all in w/ a marginal hand, I can see myself reshipping w/ AQs.
  10. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 2:06am) in reply to Superleggera

    With the CL on the FT bubble I am NEVER reshipping AQ. I can see absolutely no point in doing so, marginal hand or not
  11. Jason2890 Jason2890 is offline plays plo for overlays

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 2:12am) in reply to SlayNL

    Thanks for the advice, everyone! I folded, so no results for that first hand unfortunately. I mostly wanted advice because I think I tighten up too much in my end game so I wasn't sure if I was missing out on EV by folding there, but it seems that folding is the general consensus there.

    EDIT: Added another hand to the first post that I was curious about, same tournament.
    Edited By: Jason2890 Nov 11th, 2010 at 02:22 AM
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  12. SlayNL SlayNL is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 2:14am) in reply to Jason2890

    Nice. wp
  13. Lukens47 Lukens47 is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 2:19am) in reply to SlayNL

    Ive got villain on jj+ and AK unless you've been pressuring him or something. Villain may have AQ or 1010

    That in poker stove says he wins 66% of the time. So im not a pf guru but I fold
  14. JamesGordon00 JamesGordon00 is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 3:04am) in reply to Lukens47

    Easy fold
  15. Smokin Zags Smokin Zags is offline 2010 CA Amateur Golf Champion

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    Nov 11th, 2010 (11/11/2010 4:20am) in reply to JamesGordon00

    Hand 1: Easy fold
    Hand 2: BvB get it in easily, esp with image given
     
  16. neillyaa neillyaa is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 1:01am) in reply to Smokin Zags

    Beautiful.
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  17. norv norv is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 1:38am) in reply to neillyaa

    jason unfortunately the only edge you have is that you have posted more that neillyaa
  18. Rabo Karabek Rabo Karabek is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2011 (2/13/2011 3:28am) in reply to norv

    sick bump and 1st post!
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