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  1. A friend of mine just started playing poker. As they are just learning they asked me for advice on how to improve and learn the game. I told them they need to find what works for them but that they need to play as much as they can as nothing beats experience. This got me thinking about what other types of advice might be helpful. What would you guys advise a new player to do in their quest to improve?
  2. Get a poker book that is easy to read, like Negreanu's Poker Wisdom. Not the best poker book out there but good for beginners and entertaining. Tell them NOT to watch any poker shows on TV.
  3. join a training site
  4. two words : bankroll management
  5.  
    Originally Posted by Slingtownorbust View Post

    two words : bankroll management

    Three words: So fucking true
     
  6.  
    Originally Posted by Slingtownorbust View Post

    two words : bankroll management

    Sfthis.

    Alot of my friends play live poker and always moan that they cant win online and are always asking me why they win live and not online.

    Mainly bcos they deposit $100 and play 50nl lol.
  7. Learn to fold alot, then learn to shove alot, then learn when not to shove alot, then learn when not to fold alot

    That's as far as I've gotten
  8. - Tight is right, people flat way too much when effective stacks aren't deep enough to do so.

    - Learn how to play different stacks.

    - Learn to think about opponents hand ranges, as opposed to specific hands.

    - Stop betting/raising for information. Every bet is to make better hands fold, or get worse hands to call. There is no inbetween.

    - With ~20 bbs, don't play hands that you're not willing to stack off with. That said, be willing to stack off lighter and gamble. It is usually ok to just open shove any hand in this range. (this is just a starting point)

    - Stop bluffing call stations, but value town them a lot thinner

    - Know that even the best tourney players go on 100-200 buyin downswings

    - You don't have to cont. bet every hand, infact its spewy to do so.

    - Don't fold KK preflop...ever. Just don't do it.
     
  9. All very good points guys. On the surface people see poker and think it is all luck of the draw. But it is when you study it like many of us have that we start to see little nuances of the game and the strategy that is behind every move made at the table.
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  10. Show him this article will probably give him a general understanding of what not to do...

    Jennifear's Article on Mistakes Low-Limit Players Make the Most
  11.  
    Originally Posted by Slingtownorbust View Post

    two words : bankroll management

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  12.  
    Originally Posted by rivverkiller View Post

    - Tight is right, people flat way too much when effective stacks aren't deep enough to do so.

    - Learn how to play different stacks.

    - Learn to think about opponents hand ranges, as opposed to specific hands.

    - Stop betting/raising for information. Every bet is to make better hands fold, or get worse hands to call. There is no inbetween.

    - With ~20 bbs, don't play hands that you're not willing to stack off with. That said, be willing to stack off lighter and gamble. It is usually ok to just open shove any hand in this range. (this is just a starting point)

    - Stop bluffing call stations, but value town them a lot thinner

    - Know that even the best tourney players go on 100-200 buyin downswings

    - You don't have to cont. bet every hand, infact its spewy to do so.

    - Don't fold KK preflop...ever. Just don't do it.

    silly advice. i busted in a 1k because i didnt fold to a 4 bet vs. AA with KK when i knew i had to be behind. though very tough, sometimes you gotta lay it down.
  13.  
    Originally Posted by The Baby Bull View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Slingtownorbust View Post

    two words : bankroll management

    Three words: So fucking true

    This is a good start. Yea basically play tight for the first 50k hands then develop your own style.
  14.  
    Originally Posted by bohemian119 View Post


    silly advice. i busted in a 1k because i didnt fold to a 4 bet vs. AA with KK when i knew i had to be behind. though very tough, sometimes you gotta lay it down.

    ya this is true. the other day in a $100 live tourney it folded to me on the button position and i had the KK. I made the standard 4x raise and the SB thought hard then raised another 4bb. i made the re-raise of course! i bumped it up to 20bb total. he then shoved for a total of 50 BB! Whoops, typical rookie mistake! Now I knew he had AA, and quickly folded, saving myself 50% tourney life, or 20bb. Chalk that up as another top-tier high level laydown on my list!
  15.  
    Originally Posted by mtstackin88 View Post

    ya this is true. the other day in a $100 live tourney it folded to me on the button position and i had the KK. I made the standard 4x raise and the SB thought hard then raised another 4bb. i made the re-raise of course! i bumped it up to 20bb total. he then shoved for a total of 50 BB! Whoops, typical rookie mistake! Now I knew he had AA, and quickly folded, saving myself 50% tourney life, or 20bb. Chalk that up as another top-tier high level laydown on my list!

    If yer gonna 4 bet fold, why not just flat it and try to hit a set?
  16. Another one I've noticed on more than one occasion.....a good way to explain it is an example.

    Past sunday $100 live MTT, first hand after first break, I have ~6500, BB has ~7100, and blinds are 100/200 w/ 25 ante. I have JJ UTG, I make it 450, folds to the BB, she makes it 900 (what she thinks is a min-raise), I call, now HU. Flop is 789r. She checks, I bet 1K, she mins it to 2K. I tank and push. She snaps it off, and shows AA. Turn and river brick. If there is a weak to semi-weak plyer that min-raises, you know they have a hand.
  17.  
    Originally Posted by bohemian119 View Post


    silly advice. i busted in a 1k because i didnt fold to a 4 bet vs. AA with KK when i knew i had to be behind. though very tough, sometimes you gotta lay it down.

    This advice was geared towards a newbie. And in a 1k, I'm assuming online, almost every single player in it is capable of 4 betting light...not to mention, AK will almost always be in their range, as well as KK, and probably QQ. KK is miles ahead of this range. Congrats on being results oriented though.
     
  18. First of all, they will have to PAY DEARLY for their poker education, no matter what.
    For the following advice however, I'll assume they all start out playing Hold'em...

    I'm a die-hard Harrington fan, but would like to propose another book first, and that is Ed Millers "Getting started in Hold'em". Read and read it, and read it and read it... That's the only book they'll need the first year! I kid you not.

    Depending on the tournament structures they usually play, Harrington on Hold'em is the prime choice for deep stack, slow structured tournaments, while Arnold Snyder and Neil Myers have the books for the faster tournaments. For Sit and Go's, try Collin Moshman...

    For cash-games (especially No Limit), forget about money management!!!! Fugged' it!
    Just make sure they learn to play and survive with a short stack buy-in.

    Deep stack No Limit is for experts only. Seriously. You see, most poker players are not only reasonably intelligent, most of them are also dumb as threestumps!
    They'll usually dump off their money to better players azap, or get crap lucky to survive 2 more weeks and then piss it all off as a 2-1 favourite against the flush-draw of some other dumb-ass. Been there, done that, and couldn't even afford the T-shirt! The gap between their actual playing ability and reality is simply staggering. Beer and testosterone is all they need to sit down anyway, for Heavens sake!!
    For No Limit Hold'em you will usually need at least a 1000 BBs in your bankroll to weather the fluctuations to begin with, and that is only if you are REALLY GOOD at this. 95% of all new players (and 90% of all intermediates) are better off with no bankroll at all. Don't believe me? Crash and burn, and press the "repeat-button".
  19.  
    Originally Posted by 13Jayhawk13 View Post

    Learn to fold alot, then learn to shove alot, then learn when not to shove alot, then learn when not to fold alot

    That's as far as I've gotten

    This + Bankroll Management = online phenom superstar.
     

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