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Against a Hypo-Lag player..

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  1. BBird40 BBird40 is offline

    Lagrange, GA
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    Apr 21st, 2010 (4/21/2010 7:52pm)

    pokerstars Game #43005172576: Tournament #263975141, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2010/04/21 18:18:31 CT [2010/04/21 19:18:31 ET]
    Table '263975141 45' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: bigpeter27 (2540 in chips)
    Seat 2: Pero_885 (6680 in chips)
    Seat 3: enrico77 (5015 in chips)
    Seat 4: asmaciel74 (3710 in chips)
    Seat 5: Rato46 (5695 in chips)
    Seat 6: BBird40 (6260 in chips)
    bigpeter27: posts the ante 10
    Pero_885: posts the ante 10
    enrico77: posts the ante 10
    asmaciel74: posts the ante 10
    Rato46: posts the ante 10
    BBird40: posts the ante 10
    bigpeter27: posts small blind 50
    Pero_885: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to BBird40 [9h 9c]
    enrico77: raises 800 to 900
    asmaciel74: folds
    Rato46: calls 900
    BBird40: calls 900
    bigpeter27: folds
    Pero_885: folds
    *** FLOP *** [5d Tc 2h]
    enrico77: bets 160
    Rato46: calls 160
    BBird40: raises 590 to 750
    enrico77: raises 3355 to 4105 and is all-in

    Ok Rato = been in 80% of the pots in about 35 hands. No matter what the raise he is in. The only time I have seen him fold is folding to a shove. So he immediately is just labeled as moron and spewy.

    Enrico = his raises are all over the place. He is 3-betting min but open raising is wide...can be 4x to this 9x. I have seen him do with broadway cards, PP, and A-rag. I am assuming the big raise means he does not want alot of action.

    I think about shoving pre but I decide that if I just flat call, I can see a flop and if the flop is not to my liking I can fold. If I like the flop I can shove it.

    My image is tight b/c since this guy has came to the table I have laid low. The only time i have been playing is in position and trying to just take some pots down when the hypo-LAG is not in.

    I have a range for this guy and the range for the other guy is more broad b/c he calls with ATC and just hopes to hit.

    My question is:

    Why the 9x raise pre?

    Why the very small, practically min bet on the flop? Then shove?
  2. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Apr 21st, 2010 (4/21/2010 7:57pm) in reply to BBird40

    Technically, you're not deep enough to set mine, so I'd rather see you re-raise or fold preflop.

    He raises 9x the BB because it's a $2 MTT and he's shit at poker. You will make yourself completely nuts if you try to figure this out with any sort of logic or reason.

    He made the itty-bitty flop lead because he caught a 10 or a set, and 160 into a 2700 chip pot is his idea of a value bet. I think you're still ahead in this hand about 5% of the time, at best.
     
  3. ryang2121 ryang2121 is offline

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    Apr 21st, 2010 (4/21/2010 8:25pm) in reply to BBird40

    shove pre or fold
  4. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Apr 22nd, 2010 (4/22/2010 10:43am) in reply to BBird40

    With your reads, you should have been shoving all day preflop.

    You had 1800 + blinds/antes in the pot already, and 99 is good, but not something likely to come out with great on the flop (honestly, 1 over, no flush draws, and not much in the realm of straight draws, this is about the best flop you could have hoped for).

    I think one of the biggest mistakes that thinking low stakes players make (and don't feel bad, we've all done it) is to think you can keep pots small, and 'outplay' bad players. However, how you try to outplay them is to outflop them. So, what ends up happening is that you call a bet with a good hand, miss the flop, and then fold when his Q10 just spiked).

    As far as the 9x raise, graps read is dead on.

    What good players do in these spots is, using your read your ahead, and realizing flops aren't going to be good if you miss a 9, and your likely going to get a lot of chips flying about, your better off getting it in pre.

    I think, for me anyway, there was a lot of ego involved in playing these guys. I got eaten alive because I knew I was better, and would outplay them. It sort of takes an acceptance that, yeah, this guy is showing up with J10 off, going to call your raise, and should be a mile behind, is going to catch, and take you out sometimes (or his A5 is gonig to spike). But, this is poker, and the times you win these pots, and take huge leads, will more than make up for the losses.
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