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AJ 3bet/call shove fold?

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  1. zod300 zod300 is offline

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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 6:44am)

    Hi all this is in daily double A ftp 10$ about 30 left. Villain has been active ive been semi active I 3 bet him a orbit back he folded whats the best line here txs all? glgl

    Full Tilt Poker Game #29321630074: Daily Double - A (226463337), Table 84 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:22:48 ET - 2011/03/25
    Seat 1: Addict Drinks (91,282)
    Seat 3: Lewy Lips (322,884)
    Seat 5: Wulfman24 (77,198)
    Seat 6: LuckBox886 (85,807)
    Seat 7: ithinkiamgood (155,905)
    Seat 9: rblack501 (10,939), is sitting out
    Addict Drinks antes 600
    Lewy Lips antes 600
    Wulfman24 antes 600
    LuckBox886 antes 600
    ithinkiamgood antes 600
    rblack501 antes 600
    rblack501 posts the small blind of 2,500
    Addict Drinks posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #8
    Addict Drinks: wow nc
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ithinkiamgood [Jd As]
    Orion_Gold sits down
    Lewy Lips has 15 seconds left to act
    Lewy Lips folds
    Wulfman24 folds
    LuckBox886 has 15 seconds left to act
    LuckBox886 raises to 13,758
    ithinkiamgood ???????
     
  2. Acesiwul Acesiwul is offline

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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 10:32am) in reply to zod300

    Shove and then hit the jack when he flips over AK.
     
  3. ctillisc ctillisc is offline

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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 10:58am) in reply to Acesiwul

    shove it in! at 30 BB a 3 bet=shove and GL. lol^
  4. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Mar 25th, 2011 (3/25/2011 3:13pm) in reply to ctillisc

    It's actually shoving 17 effective (or 18 if the BB calls), so shoving isn't terrible.

    I would 3-bet/call, probably raising to about 29-31k. I prefer a 3-bet/call to an open shove because if you make the 3-bet small enough, the villain may think he has room to shove over the top. Villain's 4-bet range is likely wider than his calling range, so allowing him room to 4-bet expands his range and increases your equity. In addition, he's 4-betting any hands that he's calling with, so jamming only causes him to fold hands we beat and call with hands that AJo doesnt play as well against.
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    Mar 26th, 2011 (3/26/2011 7:17am) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    It's actually shoving 17 effective (or 18 if the BB calls), so shoving isn't terrible.

    I would 3-bet/call, probably raising to about 29-31k. I prefer a 3-bet/call to an open shove because if you make the 3-bet small enough, the villain may think he has room to shove over the top. Villain's 4-bet range is likely wider than his calling range, so allowing him room to 4-bet expands his range and increases your equity. In addition, he's 4-betting any hands that he's calling with, so jamming only causes him to fold hands we beat and call with hands that AJo doesnt play as well against.

    I doubt any semi-competent player will 4-bet shove lighter than they would call a shove in this spot with stack sizes. Hero 3-bets to 29k and the pot is 54k, villain shoves and pot is 126k. Hero has to call 56k to win 126k which is 2.25 to 1 pot odds. Hero needs roughly 31 percent equity. If I was Villain and wanted to continue with the bottom of my range I would flat his 3-bet close my eyes and shove the flop. This way you give yourself a chance to win the pot without a showdown.
    Edited By: Acesiwul Mar 26th, 2011 at 07:22 AM
     
  6. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Mar 26th, 2011 (3/26/2011 4:34pm) in reply to Acesiwul

     
    Originally Posted by Acesiwul View Post

    I doubt any semi-competent player will 4-bet shove lighter than they would call a shove in this spot with stack sizes. Hero 3-bets to 29k and the pot is 54k, villain shoves and pot is 126k. Hero has to call 56k to win 126k which is 2.25 to 1 pot odds. Hero needs roughly 31 percent equity. If I was Villain and wanted to continue with the bottom of my range I would flat his 3-bet close my eyes and shove the flop. This way you give yourself a chance to win the pot without a showdown.

    Good point.

    Serious question -- how would you define the average random in a $10 MTT? Because I think you can induce a shove from broadway and weak aces from a lot of players in these tournaments. I don't know how often these players think about the pots odds/even understand them. At what point does the average player become good enough that this doesn't work? $25 FOs? $50 FOs?
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