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AJo Standard spot I never really fully thought through in $6.50 45-man

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  1. Xeno85 Xeno85 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 4:39pm)

    Shove, raise/call or raise/shove any flop, or fold? $6.50 45-man turbo. Seems a shove normally only gets called by better, raise/call has about the same chance of getting A7-AT and under-pairs in the hand as a shove, but folding seems weak. How do you play this spot?

    pokerstars Game #24305256999: Tournament #136622574, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/26 16:55:34 ET
    Table '136622574 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: scopio8313 (1815 in chips)
    Seat 2: PY_Poker_PY (2825 in chips)
    Seat 3: vagoyras (1905 in chips)
    Seat 4: Q-FlushRiver (1365 in chips)
    Seat 6: Xeno85 (1395 in chips)
    Seat 8: pissburk (1435 in chips)
    Seat 9: StefanDeg (1600 in chips)
    PY_Poker_PY: posts small blind 50
    vagoyras: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Xeno85 [Ah Jd]
    Q-FlushRiver: folds
    Xeno85: ??
  2. BgsaPnaples BgsaPnaples is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 4:40pm) in reply to Xeno85

    I like a fold here
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  3. Xeno85 Xeno85 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 5:43pm) in reply to BgsaPnaples

    Okay, here's a similar spot. I'm pretty sure most will say shove here. With both spots being turbos, are people's calling rages vs 13 bbs really different enough than vs. 10 bbs to make AJo a shove in one and a fold in the other?

    pokerstars Game #24308185921: Tournament #136635860, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/01/26 18:28:43 ET
    Table '136635860 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 2: tigertil (3335 in chips)
    Seat 3: tmmyd (810 in chips)
    Seat 5: flopsy359 (4065 in chips)
    Seat 6: Xeno85 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 8: bigs802 (2550 in chips)
    Seat 9: P.Y2604 (1240 in chips)
    tigertil: posts small blind 75
    tmmyd: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Xeno85 [Jd Ac]
    flopsy359: folds
    Xeno85: raises 1350 to 1500 and is all-in
    bigs802: folds
    P.Y2604: folds
    tigertil: folds
    tmmyd: calls 660 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (690) returned to Xeno85
    *** FLOP *** [2c 4d 9s]
    *** TURN *** [2c 4d 9s] [Qd]
    *** RIVER *** [2c 4d 9s Qd] [Ks]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    tmmyd: shows [7d 7c] (a pair of Sevens)
    Xeno85: shows [Jd Ac] (high card Ace)
    tmmyd collected 1695 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1695 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 4d 9s Qd Ks]
    Seat 2: tigertil (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: tmmyd (big blind) showed [7d 7c] and won (1695) with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 5: flopsy359 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Xeno85 showed [Jd Ac] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 8: bigs802 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: P.Y2604 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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  4. moman1965 moman1965 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 5:50pm) in reply to Xeno85

    First hand, ship it in.
    this is your range to shove here-
    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>UTG+1</TD><TD><TD><TD>10.4%, TT+ A9s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    AJ is an easy push.

    Second hand, right play, wrong result. It is about the decision, not the result.
  5. Xeno85 Xeno85 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 5:53pm) in reply to moman1965

    yeah, not worried about results, just wondering if OR would of shoved the second hand after saying fold the first. I'm trying to get a better grip on the math behind the spots I commonly just autopilot through
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  6. moman1965 moman1965 is offline

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    Jan 26th, 2009 (1/26/2009 6:28pm) in reply to Xeno85

     
    Originally Posted by Xeno85 View Post

    yeah, not worried about results, just wondering if OR would of shoved the second hand after saying fold the first. I'm trying to get a better grip on the math behind the spots I commonly just autopilot through

    http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sn...alculator.html

    Let this be your friend. don't try to use it while playing but after a SNG, put your hands in question into the formula and learn from the results.

    On a side note, I have seen quite a few posts from you today with some basic ICM type questions, may I sugest that you PM Jennifear and inquire about a private lesson. She can teach you more in a few hours than any amount of post will.
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