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AJo UTG late in tournament???

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  1. Presnell Presnell is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:14pm)

    28 players remaining, in the money, have been at the table less than an orbit. UTG w/ AJo and a M of 6.

    You have to push, right?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #22484559910: $2 + $0.20 Rebuy (173446934), Table 32 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:12 ET - Wed, July 21, 2010
    Seat 1: nra77 (69,607)
    Seat 2: GaD555 (30,150)
    Seat 4: Obimann (45,906)
    Seat 5: yas148 (16,020)
    Seat 6: kitzlocal (24,414)
    Seat 7: WellFokyernh (98,709)
    Seat 8: Presnell (30,494)
    Seat 9: Golem Lt (141,919)
    nra77 antes 250
    GaD555 antes 250
    Obimann antes 250
    yas148 antes 250
    kitzlocal antes 250
    WellFokyernh antes 250
    Presnell antes 250
    Golem Lt antes 250
    kitzlocal posts the small blind of 1,000
    WellFokyernh posts the big blind of 2,000
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Presnell [Ah Jd]

    ???
  2. QuietStorm QuietStorm is offline BANNED, XFER SCAMMER

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:14pm) in reply to Presnell

    shoving 15 BB's.
  3. ShipThisPLZ ShipThisPLZ is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:15pm) in reply to QuietStorm

    fold
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  4. Superleggera Superleggera is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:18pm) in reply to ShipThisPLZ

    this is table and image dependent like most situations. I lean towards a fold here, but push 99+, AQo+
  5. ctillisc ctillisc is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:28pm) in reply to Presnell

    i fold and wait for a better spot. 15 BB is playable. if you had 10 BB def jam

    if quietstorm shoves 15 BB utg, then shove is probly the right play
  6. jusfoldf1sh jusfoldf1sh is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:31pm) in reply to ctillisc

    lol u sat in my seat hahahah...i had just went out on that table....
  7. wilLplay4mOnies wilLplay4mOnies is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:32pm) in reply to jusfoldf1sh

    Once you ship some big tournaments you'll find that time is money with 15bbs or less no matter the position if it's up to you to open. ShiP and focus on the next table decision.
     
  8. Faded TV Faded TV is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:33pm) in reply to wilLplay4mOnies

    For simplicity's sake let's look at what the numbers look like if you only get called when you're crushed. Someone at your table will have JJ+/AQ+ roughly 22% of the time. Your equity against that range is about 25%, so you'll lose about 22,500 22% of the time and gain 5,000 78% of the time, total ev of -1050. The looser the calling range, the better the ev equation looks, but -1050 is a lot to overcome so I think it's a fold.

    EDIT: This is just looking at cEV, $EV might be different when you factor in ICM.
    Edited By: Faded TV Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 PM
  9. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:46pm) in reply to Faded TV

    ez shove
  10. wackyJaxon wackyJaxon is offline Admin X

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 10:52pm) in reply to Presnell

    With a M of 6 this would recommend a shove, even UTG..
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  11. Presnell Presnell is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 11:20pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    It seemed borderline to me, but I went with the push and ran into kings.

    And thanks for the feedback!
    Edited By: Presnell Jul 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 PM
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  12. Danezone Danezone is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 11:28pm) in reply to Presnell

    I seem to run into this spot a lot too. With 28 to go, I am probably shoving, I think this decision gets harder for non regs the closer you are say to like 15-11 left. (Although I still probably shove)
     
  13. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Jul 22nd, 2010 (7/22/2010 11:33pm) in reply to Danezone

    shove seems fine to me
     
  14. Dustymoe03 Dustymoe03 is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 12:11am) in reply to okse54

    These tourneys play loose, I would fold and not even raise. I suck at poker math but play extremely tight ABC poker in these tourneys and work the late POS and the blinds without exploiting yourself to much. You have plenty of chips in this position i feel. I had great luck with these playing that way... Then I tried to play the other way and failed miserably.... I dont have the poker luck to shove junk and win tho... :)
  15. ndahlhoff10 ndahlhoff10 is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 1:57am) in reply to Dustymoe03

    Shove, not shoving ATo
     
  16. bAllinOnAbudget bAllinOnAbudget is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 2:03am) in reply to Dustymoe03

    this is very dependant on your table image and how loose/tight the table is. id prob fold aj shove aq+ i find myself in these all the time and shove ak UTG w/ M=10 or less to get called by any pc pair or any face cards by bigger stack and usually lose. u have a deccent stack and cud def find better spots than this but shove wudnt be bad.
  17. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 2:05am) in reply to ndahlhoff10

    ummm, definetly shoving AJ suited... AJo is like, when are blinds going up, structure, and If I've got dome that day or not (because if so than I'm happy with my day and I'll shove with confidence)
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  18. CalBandGreat CalBandGreat is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 3:24am) in reply to Steve Murkle

    It's close but I would shove. The fact that you realize that this is a marginal spot shows that you know what you are talking about.
     
  19. Dissident Dissident is offline

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    Jul 23rd, 2010 (7/23/2010 3:46am) in reply to CalBandGreat

    Shove
    prolly shoving ATs too
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