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AJs at FT facing min-raise... discuss please

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  1. Rycky4Golf Rycky4Golf is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 9:09am)

    Maybe some of you MTT veterans will have an easy answer to this but I'm not sure my play was correct. The MTT was on Bodog so I'll have to type out what I can.

    Six players left at final table, blinds 1000/2000 with 200 ante. Chip leader is in CO with about 56K (M=13), button was close second. I am SB with 24000ish (M=6) left after posting. Folded to CO who min-raises to 4000, button folds and I have AJs. The BB has around 34000k (M=8). Should I call with great pot odds, make some sort of reraise, shove all-in, or even fold? The only shack shorter than me (11000ish) was UTG and already out of the hand.

    I was not familiar with the player as most of the ones I had played with were eliminated, so I have no reads whatsoever.
  2. MYBLUEDOG MYBLUEDOG is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 9:45am) in reply to Rycky4Golf

    I think the mini-raise is fairly weak in this position. He wants to steal the blinds cheaply.

    You have M=6 and according to HOH, you don't want to get blinded out. You have only 12 BB stack, but it is good enough to push the BB and the weak raiser off a speculative hand. It would cost him 40% of his stack to call you if he is weak. You have some significant Fold Equity here. The BB will be pot commited if he gets involved. He also has to worry about the OR being involved in a 3-way pot. The BB will only likely get involved with a premium hand. If you are called you have a suited [AJ] that could let you win and double up, better than 40% of the time.

    Push or fold. A decent re-raise (1/2 your stack) makes you pot commited to a push from the OR anyway.

    If you call and miss the flop and fold; you'll be in a push-fold on the next hand you play.
  3. Tarvin Tarvin is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 10:00am) in reply to MYBLUEDOG

    I largely agree with MyBlueDog. Question though: Has this player been raising a lot? Has he been minraising many hands and having it get through? Is he just playing his big stack? If so, easy easy push. If he actually has a hand this time, oh well, maybe you'll suck out.

    On the other hand, if he hasn't raised for a few orbits now, or hasn't been very active lately, you might want to lay it down and wait for a better spot to open raise. I'd personally lean towards shoving, though.
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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 2:14pm) in reply to Rycky4Golf

    So you clearly need to push or fold.

    So you know if the Shorty goes through the blinds he's going to be down to 8K and should be ready to gamble. So if he doubles up then I think you'll need to start gambling.

    I think with the min raise if you push there is a good chance you'll get called anyway and be in the short side of a coinflip or maybe dominating, eitherway it'll be a bit of a gamble.

    When there is somebody way shorter than you, I don't like pushing on the chip leader with out a PP, prefreably TT+. I'm a SNG guy, but I think all my ICM from that area very applicable.

    If you were sorter compared to the blinds, or if the other guy was closer to your chip stack I'd say gamble, but in this situation I think the fold was right.
  5. Rycky4Golf Rycky4Golf is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 3:11pm) in reply to sotti

    To answer a couple questions, the OR had been somewhat active since the FT started and the min-raise had been used a few times to steal the blinds by a few players.
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  6. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 4:15pm) in reply to Rycky4Golf

    SImple shove
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  7. rock3656 rock3656 is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 4:28pm) in reply to Rycky4Golf

    wrong thread
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