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  1. lanimilbus lanimilbus is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2009 (2/11/2009 10:00pm)

    Final table of a 45 person SNG. Everyone is now in the $. What's your play here and why?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10578344586: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (79819347), Table 2 - 300/600 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:38:56 ET - 2009/02/11
    Seat 1: martenmania (9,880)
    Seat 2: Golfnutt14 (16,794)
    Seat 3: PATSWINBIG (6,462)
    Seat 7: SandStormSeabee (9,404)
    Seat 8: wannaplay8 (11,412)
    Seat 9: lanimilbus (13,548)
    PATSWINBIG posts the small blind of 300
    SandStormSeabee posts the big blind of 600
    The button is in seat #2

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to lanimilbus [Ad Kc]
    wannaplay8 folds
    lanimilbus raises to 1,765
    martenmania folds
    Golfnutt14 folds
    PATSWINBIG has 15 seconds left to act
    PATSWINBIG raises to 6,462, and is all in
    SandStormSeabee raises to 9,404, and is all in
    lanimilbus has 15 seconds left to act [????]

    I think this call is easy against one all-in. But after SandStormSeabee pushes over the first push, I think I have to put him on AK, AA or KK (maybe QQ). If I call and win, I'm way out ahead with 4 players left. If I call and lose, I'm pretty crippled with either 5 or 6 left.
  2. thunderchild thunderchild is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2009 (2/11/2009 10:44pm) in reply to lanimilbus

    Without any reads im folding this.
  3. shady1128 shady1128 is offline

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    Feb 11th, 2009 (2/11/2009 11:07pm) in reply to lanimilbus

    the first all-in player would normally have a pretty large range here. The only reason I say normally is that he's raising a 10BB stack over a raise from early position. Either he's raising thinking your raising light and won't call without a top hand, or he's got a good hand. I think, because he's raised over a raise already his all-in needs to be given more respect then a normal 10BB shove would.

    Albeit, if it was just him I'm still call. Now we have a player re-shoving over the top of a raise and an all-in re-raise. He's got 0 fold equity and he knows he'll have to show down his hand. There's an off chance he'll turn over a medium pocket pair hoping with the action you'd fold and the 6K stack has two big cards, but that's best case scenario.

    I think you're either sharing the same hand, or you're way behind. Muck it.
  4. asujake asujake is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2009 (2/12/2009 3:09pm) in reply to lanimilbus

    no folding.
     
  5. woertink woertink is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2009 (2/12/2009 3:31pm) in reply to asujake

    call.
  6. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2009 (2/12/2009 8:31pm) in reply to woertink

    I call pretty quickly
     
  7. lanimilbus lanimilbus is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2009 (2/12/2009 10:31pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    I called. The first pusher had 33, second had KK. I spiked an A on the flop. But a K came on the turn and I lost.

    In hindsight, I think I am should have folded. I think I am only ahead in that hand if neither of the other two players have a PP, which I think is pretty unlikely. I think I could have waited for a better spot.

    But the thought of jumping out to a solid chip lead with 4 players left is pretty tempting--I really shoot for top 3 in those small tourneys.

    Thanks for the input.
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  8. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Feb 13th, 2009 (2/13/2009 8:03am) in reply to lanimilbus

    definitely fold, you know one has a pocket pair so your already a coin flip, and if the other guy has a worse ace then you have less outs against the pocket pair... and not to mention all the strength shown from these two players... pretty good chance of KK or AA.

    better to wait. you still have a 20BB stack which is solid.
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    Feb 13th, 2009 (2/13/2009 9:15am) in reply to thunderchild

     
    Originally Posted by thunderchild View Post

    Without any reads im folding this.

    LOL

    snap call all day.. folding here would be awful AK> both ranges..get it in
  10. Rad_Dude Rad_Dude is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 2:33am) in reply to rungoodmuch

    I fold, best odds you are around 35% to win outright. You know one of them has pocket, most likely bigger pr and you know the other has sm pr or even worse AK, AQ whatever which takes one of your outs anyway. Why not wait for headsup where you are at least 50-54% or better?
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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 1:09pm) in reply to shady1128

     
    Originally Posted by shady1128 View Post

    the first all-in player would normally have a pretty large range here. The only reason I say normally is that he's raising a 10BB stack over a raise from early position. Either he's raising thinking your raising light and won't call without a top hand, or he's got a good hand. I think, because he's raised over a raise already his all-in needs to be given more respect then a normal 10BB shove would.

    Albeit, if it was just him I'm still call. Now we have a player re-shoving over the top of a raise and an all-in re-raise. He's got 0 fold equity and he knows he'll have to show down his hand. There's an off chance he'll turn over a medium pocket pair hoping with the action you'd fold and the 6K stack has two big cards, but that's best case scenario.

    I think you're either sharing the same hand, or you're way behind. Muck it.

    I completely agree. The smartest move is to fold here.
  12. TheBunin TheBunin is offline

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    Feb 15th, 2009 (2/15/2009 5:48pm) in reply to DirtyRice

    Hmm... I have a question... same problem but you're holding queens or jacks... call or fold?
  13. sedgwick03 sedgwick03 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 9:58am) in reply to TheBunin

    Prolly fold would be a good option. b/c when the 9k stack RR all in hes trying to iso the smaller stack. so he usualy isnt going to show up with a medicore hand. you have a decent stack here, so wait for a better spot IMO. AK looks pretty but with this much action you have to really re evaluate your hand. I fold and find a better spot.
  14. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 10:15am) in reply to lanimilbus

    I'm pretty sure I've never folded AK at a final tbl and I don't think I'd do it here.

    But these games are so weird w/out antes. I'm sure that changes things and should make play somewhat more tight but even still this has to be a call.
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