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AK facing two shoves 4 handed WWYD??

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  1. SigmaBetaRho SigmaBetaRho is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:07pm)

    1st -7k
    2nd - 3.9k
    3rd - 2.1k
    4th-1.6k

    4 handed at the 15k Guaranteed at the Borgata this Wednesday and its me, solid online winner, one monkey, and one "old live pro" who is a winner, but still is a monkey

    Blinds - 15/30K Antes 5K

    UTG shoves all in 270K, button shoves 600K, I fold and BB has decision with AK.

    I have 860K and BB has around 800K

    I've seen this happen before on TV also, but am wondering what is the correct play here

    UTG is a donkey and button is "old live pro" donkey.

    Old live pro has shown nothing but premium hands for past 6 hours
    UTG has been super tight as well
  2. mapunk mapunk is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:11pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

     
    Originally Posted by SigmaBetaRho View Post

    1st -7k
    2nd - 3.9k
    3rd - 2.1k
    4th-1.6k

    4 handed at the 15k Guaranteed at the Borgata this Wednesday and its me, solid online winner, one monkey, and one "old live pro" who is a winner, but still is a monkey

    Blinds - 15/30K Antes 5K

    UTG shoves all in 270K, button shoves 600K, I fold and BB has decision with AK.

    I have 860K and BB has around 800K

    I've seen this happen before on TV also, but am wondering what is the correct play here

    UTG is a donkey and button is "old live pro" donkey.

    Old live pro has shown nothing but premium hands for past 6 hours
    UTG has been super tight as well

    lol call and it's not even close. Even if he's a nit, the button should be iso'ing so much lighter than AK, especially since you have utg labeled as a monkey (i'm guessing he's spewy?).
     
  3. slks slks is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:19pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    fold.......not even a question. One of them probably has you beat.
  4. SigmaBetaRho SigmaBetaRho is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:26pm) in reply to slks

    Can anyone do the ICM on this on what is correct to call?

    UTG shorty should have any pp or any ace
    Button live pro has 66+ A5s+
    I was firm in my decision, but I wanna hear some definitive answers before I post results.
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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:30pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    <span><span><table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th width="40">PU</th><th width="40">CA</th><th width="40">OC</th><th>Range</th></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>28.5%, 22+ Ax+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ JTo T8s+ 98s</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>8.9%, 66+ ATs+ ATo+</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>3.9%, 99+ AKs AKo</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo</td></tr></tbody></table></span></span>
     
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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:32pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    Level: 15000.0/30000.0/5000.0
    Structure: 0.48/0.27/0.14/0.11
    Players: 4
    Runtime: 135ms [300 Iterations]

    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th>Player</th><th>Stack</th><th>Push%</th><th>EQPre</th><th>EQPost</th><th>EQDiff</th></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>270000.0</td><td>28.2%</td><td>0.1777</td><td>0.1796</td><td>0.00188</td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>600000.0</td><td>19.8%</td><td>0.2483</td><td>0.2499</td><td>0.00164</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>860000.0</td><td>70.1%</td><td>0.2916</td><td>0.2901</td><td>-0.00145</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>800000.0</td><td>0.2825</td><td>0.2804</td><td>-0.00207</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Explanation:
    • Stack: Players stack before posting blinds.
    • Push%: Percentage of hands a player open-pushes.
    • EQPre: ICM equity before blinds.
    • EQPost: ICM equity after hand.
    • EQDiff: ICM equity change during hand.
    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th width="40">PU</th><th width="40">CA</th><th width="40">OC</th><th>Range</th></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>28.2%, 22+ A2s+ A3o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>10.0%, 55+ A8s+ ATo+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>3.9%, 99+ AKs AKo </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>4.2%, 99+ AQs+ AKo </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>12.8%, 44+ A7s+ A8o+ KQs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>2.6%, TT+ AKs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>18.9%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ KTs+ KJo+ QJs </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>19.8%, 22+ A2s+ ATo+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.4%, QQ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>70.1%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q4o+ J2s+ J6o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 96o+ 84s+ 86o+ 73s+ 76o 63s+ 65o 52s+ 43s </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.9%, 77+ A8s+ A9o+ KTs+ </td></tr></tbody></table>
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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:36pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    Depends on how you define "super tight". If he is so tight that Old Live Pro is only reshoving with AK+ then I guess fold.

    But I really dont think anyone could be that tight so it seems like an easy call, especially with the payouts.
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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:37pm) in reply to NetFan44

    Thanks guys!

    I was like NOOOOO when I saw him open fold AKs!

    He was like if they have pp I'm behind. Apparently he has played over 2 million hands and was dominating the tournament until he doubled me up 9 handed.

    I told him I'm calling all day there with AKs getting 3 to 1, esp when I have both stacks covered and their possible ranges.

    He insisted he was right.

    Anyway, UTG had Q10 and old live pro had AJ. If the BB called he woulda knocked both out...
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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:44pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    Results, who won, wat hands did they have?
     
  10. SigmaBetaRho SigmaBetaRho is offline

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    Apr 1st, 2010 (4/1/2010 11:45pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

     
    Originally Posted by SigmaBetaRho View Post

    Thanks guys!

    I was like NOOOOO when I saw him open fold AKs!

    He was like if they have pp I'm behind. Apparently he has played over 2 million hands and was dominating the tournament until he doubled me up 9 handed.

    I told him I'm calling all day there with AKs getting 3 to 1, esp when I have both stacks covered and their possible ranges.

    He insisted he was right.

    Anyway, UTG had Q10 and old live pro had AJ. If the BB called he woulda knocked both out...

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