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AK late in the 21:30 $55 (50k G). What's your play here? (Now with results)

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  1. Crunk_Ninja Crunk_Ninja is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:03pm)

    We were down to 12 players and at the time I was 4th in chips. What's your play here and why?

    *********** # 348 **************
    pokerstars Game #13999049880: Tournament #70445267, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2007/12/21 - 03:14:21 (ET)
    Table '70445267 56' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 3: Crunk_Ninja (323434 in chips)
    Seat 4: bigpman8 (502376 in chips)
    Seat 5: yetisn0wman (325315 in chips)
    Seat 6: lupetto (114704 in chips)
    Seat 7: calvinm (267277 in chips)
    Seat 8: DESS66 (416850 in chips)
    Crunk_Ninja: posts the ante 1200
    bigpman8: posts the ante 1200
    yetisn0wman: posts the ante 1200
    lupetto: posts the ante 1200
    calvinm: posts the ante 1200
    DESS66: posts the ante 1200
    Crunk_Ninja: posts small blind 6000
    bigpman8: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Crunk_Ninja [Ac Kh]
    yetisn0wman: folds
    lupetto: folds
    calvinm: raises 24000 to 36000
    DESS66: raises 96000 to 132000
    Crunk_Ninja: ??????

    DESS66 had been raising a few hands preflop, but nothing crazy. However I certainly didn't have him labeled as a nit and figured his range to be 99+, AQ+. Thanks for any help.
     
  2. spectrefax spectrefax is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:07pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    Short handed and he's re-raising a cutoff raiser. I shove.
     
  3. Tmelson Tmelson is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:07pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    how did you establish that range? how had calvin been playing? was he raising alot or was he a nit?
     
  4. OneUglyMoFo OneUglyMoFo is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:22pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    I shove...i think he would have a slightly wider range..and AK runs well vs it...plus ur obv representing a monster AK QQ+ by shoving..although u clearly have little to no fold equity.
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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:25pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    go all in FO SHO
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  6. darkcheck_ darkcheck_ is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:26pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    im shovin
     
  7. gimmidaloot7 gimmidaloot7 is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:28pm) in reply to pokerjamers

    Awwwwwwwwww ennnnnnn awwwww day baby.....looks like you shoved and lost givin you finished 12th....was it a race or a lee special??
  8. Crunk_Ninja Crunk_Ninja is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:31pm) in reply to Tmelson

    I had been playing at the same table as him for a little while now. Like I said, he wasn't a crazy lagtard but I knew he was capable of making a play in this position. I didn't really have a great read on calvinm from what I can remember. However, nit or no nit, he doesn't have to have much of a hand to be raising from the cutoff six handed. So I really didn't give his initial raise a whole lot of credit.

    Would love to here some more responses.
     
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  9. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:33pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    honestly, only if the reraiser is the nittiest of all nits, there really is no discussion to this hand... gotta shove.
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  10. Crunk_Ninja Crunk_Ninja is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:35pm) in reply to gimmidaloot7

    lol gimmi...that's kind of cheating, haha

    will post results soon

    Would you have to have a very sick read on someone to find reasoning for a fold here? Obviously these are the key spots in tournies that make or break you, if I win the hand I'm 1st in chips by 250k+ and about to head into the final table. I mean it's all about going for the win right?
     
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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:41pm) in reply to Crunk_Ninja

    The only reason I might fold here is if the table has been letting me chip up on the FT bubble with little to no resistance. If they have been letting me do that, i'll toss this on occasion.
     
  12. gimmidaloot7 gimmidaloot7 is offline

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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 6:42pm) in reply to darkcheck_

    Heheheeheh i couldnt help myself sorry :)))...Anyway i think 95% of the responses your going to get will say call. I mean your really going to need some crazy read on the guy to fold there, and by crazy i mean hes your brother and you thought him how to play, and that he only repops with QQ+. I think its just really UL if hes ahead in this spot, not much you can do about it.
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    Dec 21st, 2007 (12/21/2007 7:08pm) in reply to gimmidaloot7

    Doesn't look like anyone thinks there is a chance at folding here. I posted this on PXF and after putting DESS66 on a range of 99+,AJ+,AQ+ the calculations show that its slightly a push in the long run. One of the guys (Asterix_77, ty) came up with these calculations:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 50.291% 42.67% 07.62% 552405396 98617272.00 { AKo }
    Hand 1: 49.709% 42.09% 07.62% 544861884 98617272.00 { <SPAN>88+, ATs+, AQo+</SPAN> }

    Here are the results:

    *********** # 348 **************
    pokerstars Game #13999049880: Tournament #70445267, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2007/12/21 - 03:14:21 (ET)
    Table '70445267 56' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 3: Crunk_Ninja (323434 in chips)
    Seat 4: bigpman8 (502376 in chips)
    Seat 5: yetisn0wman (325315 in chips)
    Seat 6: lupetto (114704 in chips)
    Seat 7: calvinm (267277 in chips)
    Seat 8: DESS66 (416850 in chips)
    Crunk_Ninja: posts the ante 1200
    bigpman8: posts the ante 1200
    yetisn0wman: posts the ante 1200
    lupetto: posts the ante 1200
    calvinm: posts the ante 1200
    DESS66: posts the ante 1200
    Crunk_Ninja: posts small blind 6000
    bigpman8: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Crunk_Ninja [Ac Kh]
    yetisn0wman: folds
    lupetto: folds
    calvinm: raises 24000 to 36000
    DESS66: raises 96000 to 132000
    Crunk_Ninja: raises 190234 to 322234 and is all-in
    bigpman8: folds
    calvinm: folds
    DESS66: calls 190234
    *** FLOP *** [Qs 4s 6c]
    *** TURN *** [Qs 4s 6c] [9s]
    Crunk_Ninja said, "nh gg"
    *** RIVER *** [Qs 4s 6c 9s] [Js]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Crunk_Ninja: shows [Ac Kh] (high card Ace)
    DESS66: shows [Qd Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
    DESS66 said, "gg"
    DESS66 collected 699668 from pot
    leplusbeau [observer] said, "DIVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
    Asterix77 [observer] said, "SPADE???"
    trashersSs [observer] said, "weeeee"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 699668 | Rake 0
    Board [Qs 4s 6c 9s Js]
    Seat 3: Crunk_Ninja (small blind) showed [Ac Kh] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 4: bigpman8 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: yetisn0wman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: lupetto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: calvinm folded before Flop
    Seat 8: DESS66 (button) showed [Qd Qh] and won (699668) with three of a kind, Queens

    Final tabled this tourny last week to go out 6th, then this happens this time :( .

    Thanks for the reponses.
     
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