PokerStars Game #11118552355: Tournament #56394063, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/24 - 21:39:22 (ET)
Table '56394063 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: phishfiend (1435 in chips)
Seat 2: AlGiacometti (1470 in chips)
Seat 3: POKERBEAST X (1190 in chips)
Seat 4: dyst0pia (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: welimk (1495 in chips)
Seat 6: Charbarj41 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: kielesinski (1845 in chips)
Seat 8: ayl8888 (1680 in chips)
Seat 9: Churchill83 (1455 in chips)
POKERBEAST X: posts small blind 15
dyst0pia: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Charbarj41 [Kd Ah]
Charbarj41: raises 60 to 90
phishfiend: raises 150 to 240
POKERBEAST X: folds
call and see a flop. He could have AQ and if an A flops he may stack off completely.
make your cbet as normal alot of flops will look scary to alot of holdings he may re-raise with, AQ, 88+, or even a silly hand like KJ.
The guys at the $15 are better than the $5 table, but unless you've got a real read on him his range may be wider than you think.
Granter don't be suprised if he has a real hand here, if he's got AA or KK and a K flops, he'll probably stack you, that's okay though.
Play it. No one has a great chip lead and its heads up. You can see a flop and my guess is his hand is playable but not by much, just trying to use position. The other option is fold and wait for better. It is a weak play but no need to rush and may make them frisky later on when you do have the Nuts. Either way I think is ok. Me I,m playing it for a flop, and then go from there.
I call if heads up to the flop. If flop is going to be 3 way then maybe fold. Depends if you consider yourself a good postflop player. The main point here is your going to feel like an idiot dumping a fifth of your stack at these level's. Keep the pot's small.
Wow, just wow. You guys are all waaaayy too tight. The idea of an sng is to win it, not to cash. AK is a preimium hand and gains a lot of its value by seeing all 5 cards. Calling/check-folding or open-folding here is just awfull.
Re-raise to 740 and push any flop.
I don't mind the reraise but never reraise for 1/2 your stack, that's just silly, if he decides to put you all in with 99 you are calling anyway, so why not push?
Since you are calling any push, and you'd rather pick up chips now I say if you want to raise (and that's not a horrible play), you need to push due to stack sizes, since typically it's wrong to reraise more than a 1/3rd of your stack preflop because you are now mathetically obligated to call with any two.
pushing the flop I think is wrong though, if the guy flops top pair with AT, KJ even hands like QT, or obviously if he has a PP and it's higher than the board he's calling and your bust. I wouldn't call that agressive poker I'd call that suicidal poker.
AK does get it's value from seeing all 5 cards and that means pushing preflop.
So push or call, don't raise half your stack.
I am no expert of the $15 sng's; But all in all i have played over 1300 in the last 6 months. Here you have AK out of position and this is a sng not a mtt. In a mtt i am more than happy to see a flop with this hand.Even to a small reraise i am happy to see a flop with this hand.
But in this situation you did a standard raise of 3x the BB; And the guy repops with a huge reraise. Simplay put you are 1.Out of position looking to play a big pot. 2.)Obviously you have to consider that you are way behind as well. You have to think about what your opponant thinks you have as well.
Here you pushed in early position;So what you are saying is that you ca beat everyone that bets behind you! He knows this,and this early noone can have a solid read on anyone at this point! Sure he could be a donkey trying to end the hand right there with trash! But do you really think he would repop with so much of his stack with garbage for the blinds and your 90 in the pot!
You have to give him credit for a better hand and it has big pair written all over it. AA/KK/QQ ect! If you had a solid read on him sure id call maybe;But honestly it's not worth the risk or the reward!!!!!!!!
Shure you play to win as we all do; But 8 of 10 times you make this call your gonna be behind! So let's say you flop the Ace and he bets the flop if you check to him! Do you call or do you reraise! And if you reraise and he stacks off,what will you do then! You have no info on his holdings!
Are you willing to call off all your chips with AK on pure speculation ! I think not sir! On the other hand let's say that you fire first and he repops you again! Your in the same boat as well!
In sng's the main goal is to take it down! But you have to first make it to the bubble stage to do so! Home runs don't come to often in these things; And i would not advise playing such a big pot out of position this early. And with no solid information about your opponant or his hand!
LAY IT DOWN dON'T BE A HERO!
I wouldn't say this was a big reraise, he only made it roughly 2.5x the his bet.
Don't get me wrong it was a strong raise, it just wasn't like he raised to 150 or 200.But yeah he may have AA, KK, QQ, or JJ. QQ or JJ mine as well be 22 though.
I still think that with the call only being 150 chips and the likely hood he'll completely stack off AQ if you hit and that if he has QQ or JJ if you hit either card you'll probably take the pot with a lead out bet.
IMHO the $15 table isn't filled with incredibly talented opponents so saying that he made the raise with 6 people left to act doesn't neccisarly mean he has more of a hand to me. I stick with him have something like JJ or QQ.
There is 355 in the pot and it's 150 to call, slightly better than 2:1 on your money, you'll hit the flop 1:3 times so even if you don't get any action after the flop when you hit you're still getting the right money to call.
Totaly understandable! But just pure logic tells me that calling is just asking for trouble here. You are basicly saying with your call;That i am not sure i have you beat now! But i will call too see a flop!
In my opinion the raise was too small in the first place,As i would have raised at least 4x the bb! But here you invested 90 to the pot with a raise;Therefore with the call of the reraise he is spending more preflop than he intended.
I wouldn't come over the top here myself,but that's just me! This early i don't want to get involved in a big pot with no info on the player. This early you have to respect the raise for what it is,with no information and give him credit!
I see so many players over play AK in this situation; As i was guilty of this myself to at one time! I just see no need to end up playing from behind this early in the game!
You're out of position as a probable underdog with a drawing hand against a raise and a reraise.
You're only going to hit 1 out of 3 flops. You're a slight underdog to 22-QQ and a huge underdog to KK and AA. You're only 3-1 vs AQ and weaker.
Early in the tourney, why commit a lot of chips to a pot when you're very likely an underdog to two hands and maybe a big underdog?
There's plenty of time to wait for a better opportunity.
In the end i decided to fold. Crucial points to this hand is that phishfiend is a regualr 15 multi player, and was playing i believe 8 tables at the time. Regularly, i play 18 and 45 man sngs $15 - 27 and have played with phishfiend several times before. While 8 tabling, moves are not as common, its more straight play, and his raise almost prices me in, begging for me to call in my opinion. I'm not sure if others think that plays into this here, but i certainly do. Other comments appreciated.
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