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AK in sb, utg opens 3x and mp flats? I squeeze and both players call? how to continue

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  1. KingBustYou KingBustYou is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 9:41pm)

    pokerstars Game #57671751856: Tournament #407010571, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/02/14 22:36:35 CET [2011/02/14 16:36:35 ET]
    Table '407010571 39' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: KingBustYou (13381 in chips)
    Seat 2: kribba72 (6875 in chips)
    Seat 3: DrMisterSir (10520 in chips)
    Seat 4: x(The Bear)x (8163 in chips)
    Seat 5: olimach (4315 in chips)
    Seat 6: REMA (14855 in chips)
    Seat 7: MH1820 (1378 in chips)
    Seat 8: Cool_kid2000 (11291 in chips)
    Seat 9: TFFL_konus (4620 in chips)
    KingBustYou: posts small blind 100
    kribba72: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to KingBustYou [Ac Ks]
    DrMisterSir: raises 400 to 600
    x(The Bear)x: folds
    olimach: folds
    REMA: calls 600
    MH1820: folds
    Cool_kid2000: folds
    TFFL_konus: folds
    KingBustYou: raises 1400 to 2000
    kribba72: folds
    DrMisterSir: calls 1400
    REMA: calls 1400
    *** FLOP *** [8h 5d 9c]
    KingBustYou: ?
  2. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:22pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    I Check. I bet/fold a lot of turns if they check behind.
  3. machinegunfunk machinegunfunk is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2011 (2/14/2011 10:33pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    I personally would make my 3bet a little bigger in that spot, being OOP and all 3 of you having deep stacks I think making a bigger 3bet in this spot could get smaller pairs and good connectors to fold if you make it like 2500-2800 but on the flop I think you have to check fold for those reasons because I think this board hits their range a lot harder than what your perceived range would be.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 11:27am) in reply to machinegunfunk

    i bet little over 1/2pot (3400) and had to fold to a reshove and a call from 98s and JJ respectively. being out of position w AK i was contemplating on just flatting the rasie pre for pot control and deceptive value. wouldve saved me chips as i'm gonna miss the flop more often than not and apparently there are still a lot of bad players in the DNG who flat 3bets w mp's/sc's and consider them the nuts if no overcards appear on the flop.
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  5. jsagan77 jsagan77 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 12:15pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    I really hate playing pots out of position because of spots like this. If I'm deep like this I'll take a more passive route and hope to get 3 streets of value on a K or A high board and lose the minimum when I air ball it. If I do 3 bet I'll normally check/fold... Nothing wrong with seeing a flop with AK oop against people who are going to be flatting your 3 bets in position with a wide range of hands. Not a lot of meta game here, just people playing deep stacked and hoping to flop a big hand to bust a guy who can't lay down a pocket pair. 3 betting isn't bad though either but I like to change my approach up in spots like this.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 12:19pm) in reply to jsagan77

    c/f flop its going to smash at least one of the flatters range way too often to proceed with this hand... flatting pre is OK but since you're oop and its multi way, I think 3betting is better. JUst a good spot to shut down after getting flatted in two spots, and board comes medium and semi connected
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  7. edinho023 edinho023 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 12:26pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    C bet/fold my first option, but nothing wrong in check fold.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 12:35pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

     
    Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn View Post

    c/f flop its going to smash at least one of the flatters range way too often to proceed with this hand... flatting pre is OK but since you're oop and its multi way, I think 3betting is better. JUst a good spot to shut down after getting flatted in two spots, and board comes medium and semi connected

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 12:37pm) in reply to kavindaaa

    what do you think about my 3betsizing here Manch?
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  10. gjallen1975 gjallen1975 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 1:12pm) in reply to KingBustYou

    this is where proper bankroll management becomes important. jam, hope, chip-up or play the next one imo....

    then again, i said that based mostly on the fact that it's still pretty early (pre-ante). Taking a closer look at the stack sizes, you already chipped up, so I could see letting go of AK there w absoloutely no draw and up against two large stacks. Is flatting pre w/ AK ever an option? These stacks and this level make it worth considering.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 1:30pm) in reply to gjallen1975

    i c bet and hope they fold. if they call, check/fold, if they reraise easy fold. U represented big hand with ur 3 bet.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 1:50pm) in reply to Rounder Rick

    I hate this 3 bet, you're out of position, the raise it some what strong, and I don't like 3betting light/squeezing without antes as I don't think it's very profitable at this level.
     
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 1:57pm) in reply to FishingCh621

    Check fold flopp i think. Also 3 bet size looks good.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 2:05pm) in reply to phaplap

    Are we 3betting stictly for value, or to get information? I mean, could we 3b to like 1675 then fold to a jam, or is 3b/f AK there just dumb?

    If we would never 3b/f there, I like a 3b to 1,800 to keep AQ and small pairs in the hand, but if we're willing to 3b/f this stack at this level, l like 1625-ish for value when we're ahead and to get out cheap or keep it small post-flop when we're not.

    i'm still learning and think this hand is a good example. interested in hearing more thoughts. GL all.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 2:25pm) in reply to KingBustYou

     
    Originally Posted by KingBustYou View Post

    i bet little over 1/2pot (3400) and had to fold to a reshove and a call from 98s and JJ respectively. being out of position w AK i was contemplating on just flatting the rasie pre for pot control and deceptive value. wouldve saved me chips as i'm gonna miss the flop more often than not and apparently there are still a lot of bad players in the DNG who flat 3bets w mp's/sc's and consider them the nuts if no overcards appear on the flop.

    bluffin oop 1/2 pot vs 2 guys is a bad idea! just callin pre is a good one. AK isn't that good OOP and with stacks that deep AK has almost no value in that spot. if u flop top top u will only get action by a set or something... call pre, c/f flop
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 11:21pm) in reply to RedIceRap

     
    Originally Posted by RedIceRap View Post

    bluffin oop 1/2 pot vs 2 guys is a bad idea! just callin pre is a good one. AK isn't that good OOP and with stacks that deep AK has almost no value in that spot. if u flop top top u will only get action by a set or something... call pre, c/f flop

    100% right
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 11:29pm) in reply to tb4rizzl

    Flat wouldnt be a bad option pre depending on the table and how active you've been, especially out of position. When you 3 bet here, 3 bet to more. 2600-3000 would be the sizing I would use. If they still flat pre I probably just give up. Although I frequently check flops like this I hit and am ready to get it in with to protect my check range.
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    Feb 16th, 2011 (2/16/2011 11:46pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    so i think the consensus is to flat pre as if we were setmining and try to hit an ace or a king and getting value with a deceptive hand.
    i think 3betting bigger wont scare away callers that more often so we'll be losing more chips if we miss and c/f or possibly cbet/fold.
    normally i would flat or 3bet AK oop about 70/30% ott, especially 3bet when antes are in play. not sure why in this case i chose the more aggro way, but it showed/confirmed that playing big slick oop is a lot trickier to play.

    really appreciate all your opinions on this hand and i will def go for the passive route next time.

    gl at the tables
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