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AK shove flop when missed the flop

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  1. pupkevicius pupkevicius is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2011 (11/10/2011 10:21am)

    I pick up AKo and reraise with the intention of shovin non A or K flops, I have no reads on the player.

    The problem here is that I shoved more than the size of the pot on the flop, i think its around 1.3x the pot

    In my mind shoving more than the size of the pot with this play is a mistake, what you guys think?

    pokerstars Game #70313386487: Tournament #546010174, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/11/10 5:04:17 ET
    Table '546010174 74' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Luckyday4los (4200 in chips)
    Seat 2: msllms (4477 in chips)
    Seat 3: lacikacika (1343 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: FKMEIMFAMOUZ (3608 in chips)
    Seat 5: pupkevicius1 (4445 in chips)
    Seat 6: rikov513 (3140 in chips)
    Seat 7: charmonya (3209 in chips)
    Seat 8: kj1973 (3860 in chips)
    Seat 9: fedok (4703 in chips)
    pupkevicius1: posts small blind 50
    rikov513: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pupkevicius1 [Kd Ah]
    charmonya: folds
    kj1973: calls 100
    fedok: folds
    Luckyday4los: raises 200 to 300
    msllms: folds
    lacikacika: folds
    FKMEIMFAMOUZ: folds
    pupkevicius1: raises 800 to 1100
    rikov513: folds
    kj1973: folds
    Luckyday4los: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [5s 9d 4s]
    pupkevicius1: bets 3345 and is all-in
    Luckyday4los: calls 3100 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (245) returned to pupkevicius1
    *** TURN *** [5s 9d 4s] [9c]
    *** RIVER *** [5s 9d 4s 9c] [Kc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    pupkevicius1: shows [Kd Ah] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
    Luckyday4los: shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
    pupkevicius1 collected 8600 from pot
    Luckyday4los finished the tournament in 824th place
    Dinosso is connected
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8600 | Rake 0
    Board [5s 9d 4s 9c Kc]
    Seat 1: Luckyday4los showed [Qh Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
    Seat 2: msllms folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: lacikacika folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: FKMEIMFAMOUZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: pupkevicius1 (small blind) showed [Kd Ah] and won (8600) with two pair, Kings and Nines
    Seat 6: rikov513 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: charmonya folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: kj1973 folded before Flop
    Seat 9: fedok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. BenFaz BenFaz is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2011 (11/10/2011 10:35am) in reply to pupkevicius

    First of all i think you raised to much, make it like 650-750

    By shoving the flop your not repping anything i would just cbet, then give up if he calls.. Are you thinking about this guys range or just that you have AK? maybe start thinking what he is actually flatting your 3bet with alot of the time its going to be pairs that he wants to see a flop with or high pairs to trap you when he doesnt shove over your 3bet
    Edited By: BenFaz Nov 10th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
     
  3. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2011 (11/10/2011 11:26am) in reply to pupkevicius

     
    Originally Posted by pupkevicius View Post

    I have no reads on the player.

    The problem with your thinking/line is you aren't taking into account the other player, since you have no idea what he could possibly be playing. Your opponent is probably under the exact same logic of "calling/shoving" any non A K flop since he's so big here. All you're achieving by shoving is knowing if you're beat...and in all fairness you got owned on this hand....
  4. pupkevicius pupkevicius is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2011 (11/10/2011 3:37pm) in reply to nw25th

    i agree i played it badly
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