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  1. allani12 allani12 is offline Trolls for fake prop bets

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    Nov 6th, 2011 (11/6/2011 12:11am)

    party 100k gtd 150-300blinds i have 27bb in sb with ak, mp+1 tag player with 77bb raises to 600 a late position lag player with 72bb 3bets to 1500, how do i proceed?
    Edited By: allani12 Nov 6th, 2011 at 01:15 AM
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  2. Bjizzle44 Bjizzle44 is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2011 (11/6/2011 1:17am) in reply to allani12

    Think this is a jam all day with ur stack. Would suck if ur coolered here but a 4bet is pretty much committing u and a fold is not an option unless its a satty trny on the bbl. I'd ship this in confidently. If we were deeper strategy change here but not with 27bb with raise and reraise. Play for the win and shipp it

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    Nov 6th, 2011 (11/6/2011 1:45am) in reply to Bjizzle44

    I would definitely lean towards jam here, especially if you think the 3 bettor is somewhat loose. I dont think flatting should ever be considered. There might be instances where youd lean towards a fold if you can narrow either of the villain's ranges down considerably. But given the info youve provided, Id just shove and hope for the best.
  4. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2011 (11/6/2011 4:16am) in reply to boneralert

    The TAG who min raises from MP1 with 77bbs, you should still do well against his opening range. Most pairs, and AJo+, possibly AT and some other broadway combos. LAG 3 bets, he could have a number of different holdings but is probably the better part of his range here. I would just jam because the LAG does not need KK or AA to 3 bet this spot.
  5. Poker Invest Poker Invest is offline

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    Nov 6th, 2011 (11/6/2011 11:50am) in reply to Sagacious Man

    FOLD. Simple. With a raise and a reraise AK sucks. You still have 27BB that's still a good stack.
     
  6. insanepoker7 insanepoker7 is offline

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    Nov 7th, 2011 (11/7/2011 4:13am) in reply to Counting Bodies

    Jam for reasons mentioned...
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    Nov 7th, 2011 (11/7/2011 11:20am) in reply to Poker Invest

     
    Originally Posted by Poker Invest View Post

    FOLD. Simple. With a raise and a reraise AK sucks. You still have 27BB that's still a good stack.

    everything this guy said... listen to it carefully and do the exact opposite.... u have a dream spot with ak and u should be hi fiving ur monitor 4 bet jamming it in..... get called by qqs and win or take it down pre and increase ur stack by heaps preflop which is always a good thing... just remember how strong u must look 4 bet jamming and jj might think trice prob only getting called by qq or coolerville
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  8. robert25 robert25 is offline

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    Nov 10th, 2011 (11/10/2011 4:04pm) in reply to yarbles

    I'm shoving . I would add new insight, but the reasons mentioned were why I would do it.
  9. ryan beckwith ryan beckwith is offline

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    Nov 11th, 2011 (11/11/2011 6:10pm) in reply to SSG

    Pretty easy jam here. Completely different if you are much deeper but pretty easy to get it in with your stack and be happy about it. Sucks if it is a cooler but 4 bet jam is clearly best option.
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  10. mattdb9er mattdb9er is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 6:00pm) in reply to ryan beckwith

    i think its a great spot to be 4bet jamming, u have a big stack open and a laggy player 3betting IP with a big stack, looks like a great a spot to 4bet shove and pick up a nice pot without a showdown
     
  11. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 6:14pm) in reply to allani12

    I prolly make it like 3125 and call anything pre if you get flatted in one spot then you'll have a perfect amt to jam all flops. Reason I like this is that you prolly get the tag to lay down a lot of pairs which is a good result. I mean you mite actually get him to lay down TT or JJ. You also give the lag a chance to go crazy and think he can force you off a hand. Or if he knows that you know he's a lagtard he may think u just see this as a good spot to 4b and may jam lite. Don't know if that kind of dynamic is at play here but if it is i def like making this play here.

    I mean of course jamming is fine too but it sort of turns your hand face up a lot of the time.
    Edited By: TheVillageGrinder Nov 20th, 2011 at 06:30 PM
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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 6:41pm) in reply to ryan beckwith

     
    Originally Posted by ryan beckwith View Post

    Pretty easy jam here. Completely different if you are much deeper but pretty easy to get it in with your stack and be happy about it. Sucks if it is a cooler but 4 bet jam is clearly best option.

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  13. mattdb9er mattdb9er is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 7:17pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

     
    Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder View Post

    I prolly make it like 3125 and call anything pre if you get flatted in one spot then you'll have a perfect amt to jam all flops. Reason I like this is that you prolly get the tag to lay down a lot of pairs which is a good result. I mean you mite actually get him to lay down TT or JJ. You also give the lag a chance to go crazy and think he can force you off a hand. Or if he knows that you know he's a lagtard he may think u just see this as a good spot to 4b and may jam lite. Don't know if that kind of dynamic is at play here but if it is i def like making this play here.

    I mean of course jamming is fine too but it sort of turns your hand face up a lot of the time.

    i see what your saying , but i also think with this stack cold 4betting and not jammin also turns ur hand face up and shows extreme strength, thats the only reason i prolly prefer the jam with the stack size, also the lag player might still call off with AQ to your jam
    Edited By: mattdb9er Nov 20th, 2011 at 07:18 PM
     
  14. GutShotBen GutShotBen is offline

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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 7:34pm) in reply to mattdb9er

    4 bet all in

    30bb< AK is the nuts
    Edited By: GutShotBen Nov 20th, 2011 at 07:35 PM
     
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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 7:40pm) in reply to mattdb9er

     
    Originally Posted by mattdb9er View Post

    i see what your saying , but i also think with this stack cold 4betting and not jammin also turns ur hand face up and shows extreme strength, thats the only reason i prolly prefer the jam with the stack size, also the lag player might still call off with AQ to your jam

    idk i think the 4bet jam screams like AK, JJ, QQ, which aq doesn't play very well against. I guess unless he's a complete tard i don't see him calling off with aq. I guess taht's the main question tho.

    I just thought we could get him to spaz out with a bigger part of his 3b range by small 4betting, if he felt like he still had some fe. but Ig uess that would have to be an advanced play against a more familiar opponent.

    Yeah and I hear what ur saying about showing extreme strength i guesss i thought that was ok since we might be able to avoid a race in that some times we get folds from some pairs. Where as I didn't see anyone snapping off with aq to a shove but i guess i could be wrong about that.
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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 7:52pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    fair enuff, i dont think either are bad , guess whats best depends on more table dynamics, either way whatever line u take seems like a great spot to be getting it in
     
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    Nov 20th, 2011 (11/20/2011 8:22pm) in reply to mattdb9er

    We have a TAG player opening and a LAG player 3betting both with large stacks.. umm im pretty sure that we can shove pretty freakin wide here profitably.. way wider than.. TT+ AK... like wth

    Assuming dude is laggy enough i can see myself shoving like... AT+ 55+ KQ and depending on the spot (If i think 3bettor is light here tons) could defo shove even wider. We have toooons of FE in this spot and theres also a ton of dead money. This is such a beautiful spot to 4b light... let alone when we have a hand like AK.
     
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