shipping pre

Shove for value. Who wants a fold?

High five your Mom in the basemant and ship it pre...

 

Originally Posted by YOMAXX

High five your Mom in the basemant and ship it pre...

this

 

Originally Posted by Nate Avenson

3 bet to like 6.5 bb's (so he knows you're serious), fold to a 4 bet (since you're for sure beat then). If he flats, you can put out a feeler bet on the flop to see where you are at. Unless you flop two pair plus, then check all three streets, let him make a mistake by betting. Actually, just fold pre, you only have ace high. No point going broke without a pair.

LMFAO!^^^^^^^^^^

If you make him fold post flop its because he has a worse hand and at that point you want a call. Shove pre.

 

Originally Posted by feltmelter

what about flatting pre to keep all his hands in post flop for value. And small pairs that we are flipping with pre that wont fold may fold post flop on scary flops that we wiff? Thoughts.

what about small pairs post fop when we miss

Enough spots in this game to bend your mind on....do not let this be one. If you start clouding this process
you are just making it really difficult on yourself. Hey....but no harm in posting and learning right? glgl.

12bbs, insta ship with ak no question

This a level?
3bet fold imo

I mean I've never once done anything but ship it in preflop in spots like these. And I'm definitely never folding this hand here EVER. But by flatting pre and shoving every single flop. We keep all his weak hands in the pot(hands we crush). And when we open ship post flop, we allow him to fold some small pocket pairs on nasty flops that we brick. Hands that woulda turbo called pre at even equity. Like I said I've never done this. Just wondering WHY it's awful. And why this line of thinking in this spot is awful... Oh yah and it's a value call preflop. :)

[QUOTE=wantCLEANmoney;5967337]u shouldnt have F.E. on him anyway, no? Unless hes a drooler of course. Anyway, it seems like ur trying to look for a less variance play by not losing a flip or something lol. You have AK for god sakes. Get ur chips in and like someone said, stop making spots like this complicated. This has to be a level but if its not:

[ ] Games are dead

[x] Games are NOT dead[/QUOTE

I'm still getting it all in. LOL. How is that making it complicated. It's simple call preflop from the bb and shove first to act.

If the guy is bad enough to fold to a 12BB stop and go, his calling range is probably well behind AK pre.(edit: and should be anyways since you have 12BB, another reason to just get it in) The very little fold equity you may gain by flatting pre is greatly outweighed by the value you lose by not shoving imo

 

Originally Posted by feltmelter

I mean I've never once done anything but ship it in preflop in spots like these. And I'm definitely never folding this hand here EVER. But by flatting pre and shoving every single flop. We keep all his weak hands in the pot(hands we crush). And when we open ship post flop, we allow him to fold some small pocket pairs on nasty flops that we brick. Hands that woulda turbo called pre at even equity. Like I said I've never done this. Just wondering WHY it's awful. And why this line of thinking in this spot is awful... Oh yah and it's a value call preflop. :)

Highly doubt theres many flops that AK misses and a pocket pair isnt calling for 9BBs more. More importantly, AK dominates a large part of his range (ie,AQ,AJ,AT,KQ,etc,etc) that may fold to your stop and go but wouldn't fold to your preflop shove.

 

Originally Posted by Nate Avenson

3 bet to like 6.5 bb's (so he knows you're serious), fold to a 4 bet (since you're for sure beat then). If he flats, you can put out a feeler bet on the flop to see where you are at. Unless you flop two pair plus, then check all three streets, let him make a mistake by betting. Actually, just fold pre, you only have ace high. No point going broke without a pair.

LMAO. That sounds like too much work. Just shove and start a new tournament.

99.9% of time u shove pre......the only time I would consider any other option would be if I was at a final table w life changing money on line short handed and there was a short stack severly crippled and u holding on equaled a big jump in money, than I would flat or maybe consider folding.....every single other situation im shipping. Just my thoughts.

 

Originally Posted by FatsoFat6969

Sorry u lost to 44

You must run good, my under pair always loses to AK