1. Question 1: What do you do here?Like 6 hands in... No reads, all I see is he is a silverstar....Whats his range? I figure JJ+, AK?

    PokerStars Game #20799641083: Tournament #111191372, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/29 19:19:47 ET
    Table '111191372 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: Rimz (1570 in chips)
    Seat 2: FULLOHAD (1490 in chips)
    Seat 3: Steph_888 (1300 in chips)
    Seat 4: phalv (1700 in chips)
    Seat 5: werd2u (1470 in chips)
    Seat 6: mleone3333 (1260 in chips)
    Seat 7: SABICCS (1750 in chips)
    Seat 8: JurassicShip (1480 in chips)
    Seat 9: fanta-kasten (1480 in chips)
    JurassicShip: posts small blind 15
    fanta-kasten: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Rimz [As Kh]
    Rimz: raises 90 to 120
    FULLOHAD: folds
    Steph_888: folds
    phalv: folds
    werd2u: folds
    mleone3333: raises 240 to 360
    ----------------------------------------------

    Question 2: I remeber Ship Happens a respeceted sng player says he or other good sng players would not raise 99 in EP in a unopened pot early on in a sng?? Do you call or fold?? Can you justify this please, bc I would normally raise this...I got this question from your interesting hand with Spacegravy ( i think) in $109 turbo, where you had a FH on the river and folded...

    rimz
  2. its either push or fold, calling off 1/5th of your stack with having to fold when you miss is really bad. AK gets the best value out of seeing all streets and plus its a turbo, id push. plus you can get the chip lead early or load another one
  3. Going allin is fun so I'd do that.

    Your range is probably pretty solid (maybe throw a few more hands in), but against an uknown at this level I'm usually shoving.
  4. easy fold. against all pocket pairs you're a 45/55 dog and thats to the river. you're even less favored to catch up with him on the flop without seeing the last 2 cards. easy fold.

    easy fold.

    ef
     
  5. fold
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  6. so far 2 for push and 2 for fold:)...it seems like either play cud be right depending on the opponent...id like to see what other good turbo sng players wud do??

    Any1 got any responses for #2??
    Thread Starter
  7. shove or fold based on reads

    not opening 99 early in an sng is bad imo
  8. Question 2: call or make it 2 x BB. Amazing how many people will also limp in when you limp in utg, they seem to fear you have aces and are worried you will checkraise. If someone rasies, take it from there, if someones shoves you can still cheaply fold.
  9. early in a sng u wanna 3x ur 99, see a flop and go from there, folding is bad
  10.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post


    early in a sng u wanna 3x ur 99, see a flop and go from there, folding is bad

    more in depth please.
  11.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    shove or fold based on reads

    not opening 99 early in an sng is bad imo

    If when you say bad you mean optimal then I would agree
  12. Sharkscope survey says fold...he is not raising you with AQ and you are either way behind or racing
  13. if ur saying to not open 99 early in a sng pls say why? Im sure im being leveled tho....
  14. You are not being leveled...99=22...you are playing for set odds at 10/20 and 15/30
  15.  
    Originally Posted by L0bstaM0bsta View Post

    You are not being leveled...99=22...you are playing for set odds at 10/20 and 15/30

    haha, u almost had me for a second
  16. Ok...please ask any seroius SNG grinder what they do with 99 UTG to the CO and anyone who has a clue what they are doing is limping
  17. push all day any day
  18.  
    Originally Posted by L0bstaM0bsta View Post

    Ok...please ask any seroius SNG grinder what they do with 99 UTG to the CO and anyone who has a clue what they are doing is limping

    now ur even gonna say u dont open 99 fron hijack or CO? wow this leveling is starting to tilt me.
  19. <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="mleone3333#pokerstars& E<=9"><td align="center">mleone3333 </td><td align="center">3,097</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$1.44 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$13 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">12%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$4,445 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td align="center">PokerStars</td><td align="center">E<=9</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Still like pushing?
  20. spacegravy routinely limps 99 at the hijack and i have seen him do the same at the CO and button...I'm just telling you what the best do
  21. fold
     
  22. you should any pair first level or lower
  23.  
    Originally Posted by L0bstaM0bsta View Post

    <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="mleone3333#pokerstars& E<=9"><td align="center">mleone3333 </td><td align="center">3,097</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$1.44 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$13 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">12%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$4,445 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td align="center">PokerStars</td><td align="center">E<=9</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Still like pushing?

    well given its a turbo and hes prob playing a few different tables so we wont be able to look that up in time....also even with given that info we could still even be ahead but i guess id lean more towards a fold
  24. sheets and beanmo are raising 99 from ep in a fullring sng, but what do they know?????????????????????????????????
  25.  
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    sheets and beanmo are raising 99 from ep in a fullring sng, but what do they know?????????????????????????????????

    sheets is blocked

    <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="beanmo#pokerstars& E<=9"><td align="center">beanmo </td><td align="center">3,385</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">-$2.19 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$121 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">0%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">-$7,429 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td align="center">PokerStars</td><td align="center">E<=9</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Hrm...looks like we will never quite figure out what they really know

    <table id="t1" border="1" bordercolor="black"><tbody id="tablerows"><tr id="spacegravy#pokerstars& E<=9"><td align="center">spacegravy </td><td align="center">35,909</td><td title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align="right">$3.09 </td><td title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align="right">$57 </td><td title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align="center">9%</td><td title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align="right">$110,802 </td><td title="Super Hot=6 straight payouts. Hot=3 straight payouts. Tilt=4 straight losses. Super Tilt=8 straight losses." align="center">-</td><td align="center">PokerStars</td><td align="center">E<=9</td></tr></tbody></table>
  26. i watched a beanmo video once.

    I dont know if i want to comment further than that at this time.
  27. I priv msged jennifear and ship happens to help replyfor #1, 2...It was no level, ship happens in his long thread about his hand with spacegravy, said spacegravy is not rasing 99 from ep early in a sng...and he said no great turbo sng players are...This may only be in higher level sngs, im not sure...I usually play 16's and 25 and will always raise 99 from ep, i consider myself to be pretty good :)

    thx in the responses so far...

    rimz
    Thread Starter
  28. lol I tried at least...

    but in all seriousness 99 is a somewhat standard limp for a ton of players and that is not a level
  29. Question 1:

    Shove unless he's good. This guy, mleone, is reraising you with QQ+, AK, so the correct answer is fold. With no reads, it's a shove in a $16, especially at night when the bad players are on and you might be staring at KQ or AJ.

    Question 2:

    Raising 88+ is good strategy in a winner-take-all SNG. In a 50/30/20 SNG, the chips you risk are worth more than the chips you stand to gain, so you need to play a tad tighter. In addition, at the low limits, you have the extra benefit of stacking someone off more frequently when you play it as a set mining hand and they triple barrel bluff you with cheese or call their whole stack off on top pair, bad kicker. Therefore, it's a hand I usually limp UTG at the $16s. For the record, it is not horrible to raise this.

    Hope that helps!
  30.  
    Originally Posted by L0bstaM0bsta View Post

    lol I tried at least...

    but in all seriousness 99 is a somewhat standard limp for a ton of players and that is not a level

    This man is giving good advice in this thread, I however suck at sng's so w/e but ya he's pretty spot on in this thread fwiw

    Also fwiw I suck @ sngs cuz I hate playing them, they make me wanna gouge my eyes out.

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