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AK w/ chip lead at final table of a 180 man facing 2nd chip leader. What's your play?

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  1. MattieG MattieG is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 12:37am)

    In lieu of all the AK talk...I'd like some opinions on this hand please.

    Final table of a 180 man, 6 people left. The button has been staying out of my way, and I was pretty much staying out of his way. What's the optimal play here?
    pokerstars Game #17742992506: Tournament #89948309, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/05/28 - 00:24:13 (ET)
    Table '89948309 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: blitzk02 (57979 in chips)
    Seat 3: MattieG1 (61215 in chips)
    Seat 4: vinzz13 (40508 in chips)
    Seat 6: sam2play (45378 in chips)
    Seat 7: pandajurk (36690 in chips)
    Seat 8: chipserg (28230 in chips)
    blitzk02: posts the ante 100
    MattieG1: posts the ante 100
    vinzz13: posts the ante 100
    sam2play: posts the ante 100
    pandajurk: posts the ante 100
    chipserg: posts the ante 100
    MattieG1: posts small blind 500
    vinzz13: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MattieG1 [Kh Ac]
    sam2play: folds
    pandajurk: folds
    chipserg: raises 2000 to 3000
    blitzk02: raises 5000 to 8000
    <span>MattieG1: ???</span>
  2. staknchips83 staknchips83 is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 12:42am) in reply to MattieG

    awwwwww innnnnnnnnnnnn.......................
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  3. dtools22 dtools22 is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 12:52am) in reply to MattieG

    Hmm.....I guess this for me would depend on more of a feel for the table than anything else.

    What does that raise from blitzk02 actually mean? Does he make reraises like that often? Are they normally that amount? ETC...

    Personally I think this is a spot where I could see doing really anything depending on table reads. If you think chipserg will fold here, then call and see the flop. If you feel that blitzk02 is making a move at the pot then I would reraise to 22K here. If you feel like he's strong I would fold.

    My default reaction would be to just fold this here, which is a weak play I understand, but being chipleader I'm not interested in flipping a coin for an ultra-bigstack. If you have a read then go with it here, if not then I tend to fold.
  4. frosty012 frosty012 is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 1:06am) in reply to MattieG

    6 handed i'm shoving this....full ring i prob fold
  5. ITM_247 ITM_247 is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 2:36am) in reply to frosty012

    your chip lead is not all that great
    your position on the flop sucks if you flat call
    an all in pf is horrible imo

    I say put the reraiser on JJ/QQ/possibly AQ for starters

    fold and let the initial raiser call this. do you have much knowledge of the reraiser's style of play???

    there are better opportunities than this waiting for a stack like urs
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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 2:42am) in reply to MattieG

    blitz would have to be ridiculous tight for me to do anything other than jam here. However, I've been known to 4 bet 9Js in spots like this so....
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  7. Sigmapoker Sigmapoker is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 1:20pm) in reply to MattieG

    Without a read that makes me think blitz ONLY reraises with big pairs I don't see how you can avoid playing this. You have the chip lead at the final table and you should probably use that to your advantage. Besides why does he have to have such a tight range here? It's 6 handed and blitz is reraising the cutoff. I don't see how anyone, with no reads, can assume a range of JJ+ AQ+. That's a seriously tight range at a 6 handed final table, no? Count me in the category of people that overplay AK fwiw but I'm reraising to 20-24K and calling a shove.
  8. MattieG MattieG is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 1:47pm) in reply to Sigmapoker

    Based on how he was playing, he was playing solid, only really raising in position. I put him on AJ+, 99+ as I don't think he would make that play with absolute air or a suited connector.

    I thought a huge overshove would look way too much like either AK or a mid pocket pair, so I decided to put in a decent raise instead, hoping to get the bottom of the range (99, 1010, JJ, AJ, AQ) to fold. I was intending on calling a shove as now about half of my chips are already in the middle, however, I really was not expecting him to just flat call, but now after I think about it, I prob. should have raised a little more, maybe to about $31k.

    Now I am OOP w/ 1/2 my chips in the middle. Based on his flat call, I now believe his cards to be at the top of the range (QQ, KK, AA, AK maybe JJ), of which the only hand I really want to see is JJ or QQ. Check-folding seems really weak, obv. can't bet-fold to shove, too many chips in the middle to be able to check raise as any raise would commit either one of us, so do you guys push even though you are almost def. behind or dominated? Is it way to weak to check/fold and conserve what I have left? Is going all in PF a better move so I'm not stuck in this situation or does playing it this way still allow me to get away from it?

    pokerstars Game #17742992506: Tournament #89948309, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/05/28 - 00:24:13 (ET)
    Table '89948309 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: blitzk02 (57979 in chips)
    Seat 3: MattieG1 (61215 in chips)
    Seat 4: vinzz13 (40508 in chips)
    Seat 6: sam2play (45378 in chips)
    Seat 7: pandajurk (36690 in chips)
    Seat 8: chipserg (28230 in chips)
    blitzk02: posts the ante 100
    MattieG1: posts the ante 100
    vinzz13: posts the ante 100
    sam2play: posts the ante 100
    pandajurk: posts the ante 100
    chipserg: posts the ante 100
    MattieG1: posts small blind 500
    vinzz13: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MattieG1 [Kh Ac]
    sam2play: folds
    pandajurk: folds
    chipserg: raises 2000 to 3000
    blitzk02: raises 5000 to 8000
    MattieG1: raises 16000 to 24000
    vinzz13: folds
    chipserg: folds
    blitzk02: calls 16000
    *** FLOP *** [5d 6h 3s]
    MattieG1: ???
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  9. lockdownpokah lockdownpokah is offline

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    May 28th, 2008 (5/28/2008 3:23pm) in reply to MattieG

    i had a similar position last night at the final table 9 handed 2nd in chips.. i raise UTG and chip leader 3 bets me... im sitting with AK and basically come over the top allin - he obv had aces

    afterwards it made me wonder since i was lightyears ahead of the guys at the final table if i shoulda jus mucked and won pots elsewhere.. i was SOOO sure i was gonna win that tourny, instead i bounce out 9th even though i still think i gotta get ak allin pre
     
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