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  1. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    May 22nd, 2010 (5/22/2010 10:39am)

    pokerstars Game #44454922037: Tournament #273413342, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2010/05/22 10:23:14 ET
    Table '273413342 12' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: name3d (3101 in chips)
    Seat 2: Jaypee1956 (4349 in chips)
    Seat 3: ButchDouglas (514 in chips)
    Seat 4: l3iRdMaN (8290 in chips)
    Seat 5: Rounder8325 (4740 in chips)
    Seat 6: hithenose (4960 in chips)
    Seat 7: woookie111 (4072 in chips)
    Seat 8: dyana69 (7990 in chips)
    Seat 9: BigBradley (6300 in chips)
    dyana69: posts small blind 40
    BigBradley: posts big blind 80
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to l3iRdMaN [Kc Ac]
    name3d: folds
    Jaypee1956: raises 160 to 240
    ButchDouglas: folds
    l3iRdMaN: raises 400 to 640
    Rounder8325: raises 4100 to 4740 and is all-in
    hithenose: folds
    woookie111: folds
    dyana69: folds
    BigBradley: folds
    Jaypee1956: folds
    l3iRdMaN:

    villian's 3rd hand at the table.... this has to be like JJ+ ? If we fold we still have nearly 100bb and flipping for half of our stack in this spot seems spewey? Is this a nitty fold?
     
  2. hushpuckena hushpuckena is offline

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    May 22nd, 2010 (5/22/2010 11:09am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    You don't need to play this hand for 4000 at this early stage, even if Rounder's range is somehow 88+ (which I doubt is the case). Fold and keep your 7650.
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    May 22nd, 2010 (5/22/2010 12:18pm) in reply to hushpuckena

     
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    You don't need to play this hand for 4000 at this early stage, even if Rounder's range is somehow 88+ (which I doubt is the case). Fold and keep your 7650.

    Agreed......AKs looks powerful, but it's still just a drawing hand. Too early in tourney to spew half your stack with AK.
  4. l3iRdMaN l3iRdMaN is offline

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    May 22nd, 2010 (5/22/2010 12:27pm) in reply to kelmann333

    i mean the villian is def capable of getting in worse and there's nearly 1700 in dead money out there and we have a chance at a v nice stack.....
     
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    May 23rd, 2010 (5/23/2010 8:46am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

     
    Originally Posted by l3iRdMaN View Post

    i mean the villian is def capable of getting in worse and there's nearly 1700 in dead money out there and we have a chance at a v nice stack.....

    So what? Just because he's capable of getting it in worse doesn't mean he did. Still too risky at this stage of the tourney with what is essentially a drawing hand and I would fold in this spot.
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    May 23rd, 2010 (5/23/2010 11:39am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    hard to know.... this used to be AA ALL the time before LAGs got involved.

    if he is top 3%, TT+ AK+ then we have 43% equity. minues CEV...

    if we drop AA and KK (and leave QQ+), we have 47% equity.... so good chip EV, but ICM prob means fold.

    clear fold...
     
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    May 23rd, 2010 (5/23/2010 12:44pm) in reply to finewhine

     
    Originally Posted by finewhine View Post

    So what? Just because he's capable of getting it in worse doesn't mean he did. Still too risky at this stage of the tourney with what is essentially a drawing hand and I would fold in this spot.

    it doesnt mean he didnt either, but its something we have to consider when ranging him.

    what do you mean by too risky?

    if we win this pot we have a monster stack and a great chance at making a deep run. if we lose we still have 4k to work with which is about an avg stack at this point. with all the dead money out there and the fact we have somewhere around 45% equity im leaning towards a call
     
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    May 23rd, 2010 (5/23/2010 12:45pm) in reply to paulgibbo

     
    Originally Posted by paulgibbo View Post

    hard to know.... this used to be AA ALL the time before LAGs got involved.

    if he is top 3%, TT+ AK+ then we have 43% equity. minues CEV...

    if we drop AA and KK (and leave QQ+), we have 47% equity.... so good chip EV, but ICM prob means fold.

    clear fold...

    you forgot to mention there's 1600 in dead money and it's only 4100 to call, its not really a clear fold with roughly 45% equity
     
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    May 24th, 2010 (5/24/2010 11:49am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

     
    Originally Posted by l3iRdMaN View Post


    it doesnt mean he didnt either, but its something we have to consider when ranging him.

    what do you mean by too risky?

    if we win this pot we have a monster stack and a great chance at making a deep run. if we lose we still have 4k to work with which is about an avg stack at this point. with all the dead money out there and the fact we have somewhere around 45% equity im leaning towards a call

    Risky in the sense of losing a good deal of your nice chip stack. I'm a bit confused, I thought you were asking us for opinions on what to do here, we gave our input and now you are arguing with us. What do you want?
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    May 24th, 2010 (5/24/2010 2:46pm) in reply to finewhine

     
    Originally Posted by finewhine View Post

    Risky in the sense of losing a good deal of your nice chip stack. I'm a bit confused, I thought you were asking us for opinions on what to do here, we gave our input and now you are arguing with us. What do you want?

    lively discussion, different perspectives, to play devil's advocate, etc..

    i lead my OP in a direction and wanted to see if the majority of ppl would agree/disagree
     
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    May 26th, 2010 (5/26/2010 1:29am) in reply to l3iRdMaN

    its close, i prob call most of the time but fold might be correct vs alot of villians
     
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    Jun 18th, 2010 (6/18/2010 12:04am) in reply to okse54

    after reading a couple of these post it seems like folding is the right play
    unless you got a read on villain i personally dont mind calling here,
    the upside to this is that if you win you will had a deep stack and potentially make
    a deep run and have a shot at the tourney
    downside your avg stack and you gotta pick your spots and cant be as
    flexible as you could be with a big stack
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    Jun 19th, 2010 (6/19/2010 12:35am) in reply to giveakshun

    Its all how much you're willing to gamble. I think he 4bets with kk or aa, doesnt ship. You can probably drop those 2 hands. So you're looking at a coin flip or better. Yea its for 60 bbs early on, but you still have 45 bbs left if you lose the hand. I say gamble
     
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    Jun 21st, 2010 (6/21/2010 11:13am) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post

    its close, i prob call most of the time but fold might be correct vs alot of villians

    so this
     
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