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am i ever ahead here?

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  1. stpauli111 stpauli111 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:45pm)

    am i ever ahead here when this turn card comes? if i am how often am i and how should i proceed with the hand in the case that i can possibly be ahead.

    pokerstars Game #11970872568: Tournament #59838330, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/09/09 - 22:34:39 (ET)
    Table '59838330 25' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: df1986 (3284 in chips)
    Seat 2: rcrane082985 (12331 in chips)
    Seat 3: stpauli111 (9805 in chips)
    Seat 4: AJKHoosier1 (18240 in chips)
    Seat 5: JohnnyBax (11565 in chips)
    Seat 6: TheWacoKidd (15130 in chips)
    Seat 7: abel (3741 in chips)
    Seat 8: 1CLS500 (8800 in chips)
    rcrane082985: posts small blind 100
    stpauli111: posts big blind 200
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to stpauli111 [Ah Ad]
    AJKHoosier1: folds
    JohnnyBax: calls 200
    TheWacoKidd: folds
    abel: folds
    1CLS500: folds
    df1986: folds
    rcrane082985: folds
    stpauli111: raises 600 to 800
    JohnnyBax: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [5h 3c 4d]
    stpauli111: bets 1000
    JohnnyBax: calls 1000
    *** TURN *** [5h 3c 4d] [7d]
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  2. rmoriar1 rmoriar1 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:48pm) in reply to stpauli111

    i rather fold aces pre than play them vs bax
  3. GO LET IT OUT GO LET IT OUT is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:50pm) in reply to rmoriar1

    considering its bax and how much the turn card co-relates to his flop call range, i think this is an easy fold.
  4. Luckpete Luckpete is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:52pm) in reply to GO LET IT OUT

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=12 height=16></TD><TD width=138 height=16 left?>» Bad Beats</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>...... we know whats coming
  5. iamtheflash iamtheflash is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:52pm) in reply to rmoriar1

    Had to think about this and..yes, u could still be ahead if he has PP like 10's, J'S OR Q's. Good question on how often , and the is BAX...hmmm.
  6. AJKHoosier1 AJKHoosier1 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:56pm) in reply to iamtheflash

    bax aint limpin TT+ there preflop

    the answer to the thread title is definitely no.
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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:57pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    thinkin the same thing...he will smooth call a set OTF though.
  8. trouble trouble is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 10:58pm) in reply to AJKHoosier1

    well, what does he limp/call pre with?
  9. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 11:01pm) in reply to trouble

    almost always it is going to be a small pocket pair when dealing with a Bax limp/call pre... he usually opens his suited connectors and huge hands...
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  10. Ari Ari is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 11:03pm) in reply to stpauli111

    wow, really, never?
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  11. stpauli111 stpauli111 is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 11:03pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    limp call pre is 22-88 imo sometimes 99 and rarely TT-AA. it can also be a sc possssibly but still not likely.

    therefore most of his range is pretty far ahead. but i lose value from some hands if i check and shutdown on the hand.
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  12. trouble trouble is offline

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    Sep 9th, 2007 (9/9/2007 11:05pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    ok, then knowing that, folding seems pretty obv

    edit> chk/folding
  13. towelie towelie is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 12:26am) in reply to Ari

    I don't know why I'm giving you my input on this hand cuz u crack my QQ w/ AKo in live cash games and i hate you THIS MUCH hehe, jkjk

    The only way you're getting value here is by inducing a bluff. Bet/call shove is the best way to do that IMO. If you bet and he calls again then it's definitely time to wave the white flag.

    Personally, I'm done putting money in the pot after this turn card hits.
  14. busto_soon busto_soon is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 12:39am) in reply to stpauli111

    Bax probably checks this turn a lot, so see the river and decide what to do.
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  15. JDeEzLy JDeEzLy is offline

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    Sep 10th, 2007 (9/10/2007 12:42am) in reply to stpauli111

    If you were dealt 3 Aces, it is still +EV to fold pre to Bax entering a pot.
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