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Am I an idiot for folding here?

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  1. nsinger nsinger is offline

    Rohnert Park, CA
    United States

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 12:50am)

    I just got moved to this table; I'd been playing good poker throughout, having been to only 12 showdowns through the first 6 hours of play and gathering a bunch of chips on the bubble. Then I get moved and this hand comes up. I have no read on either utg +1 or rampage, but I know Lykan Khan is tough and can be tricky.

    pokerstars Game #15676802607: Tournament #79111699, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2008/03/02 - 01:12:17 (ET)
    Table '79111699 24' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Rampage86 (123403 in chips)
    Seat 2: nsinger (97250 in chips)
    Seat 3: flynner06 (83017 in chips)
    Seat 4: kramarica12 (31725 in chips)
    Seat 5: tmaling (99517 in chips)
    Seat 6: im12yearsOLD (36110 in chips)
    Seat 7: sabrinaJSU (63293 in chips)
    Seat 8: Lykan Khan (87035 in chips)
    Seat 9: face&gays (149299 in chips)
    Rampage86: posts the ante 150
    nsinger: posts the ante 150
    flynner06: posts the ante 150
    kramarica12: posts the ante 150
    tmaling: posts the ante 150
    im12yearsOLD: posts the ante 150
    sabrinaJSU: posts the ante 150
    Lykan Khan: posts the ante 150
    face&gays: posts the ante 150
    face&gays: posts small blind 800
    Rampage86: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nsinger [Qs Qd]
    nsinger: raises 3200 to 4800
    flynner06: calls 4800
    kramarica12: folds
    tmaling: folds
    im12yearsOLD: folds
    sabrinaJSU: folds
    nsinger said, "oh an"
    nsinger said, "man"
    Lykan Khan: calls 4800
    nsinger said, "that's better"
    face&gays: folds
    Rampage86: calls 3200
    *** FLOP *** [6h 6d 8h]
    nsinger said, "had to pee for like two hours"
    Rampage86: checks
    nsinger: bets 12222
    flynner06: calls 12222
    Lykan Khan said, "wow"
    Lykan Khan: folds
    Rampage86: raises 106231 to 118453 and is all-in
    nsinger: folds
    flynner06: calls 65845 and is all-in
    nsinger said, "asdg;lkashdg;lasd;hgl;kashdlkgas;"
    *** TURN *** [6h 6d 8h] [3c]
    nsinger said, "somasdg;oahsdlghas;lh"
    nsinger said, "omg"
    *** RIVER *** [6h 6d 8h 3c] [4h]
    nsinger said, "worl;asdghkal;sdhga"
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Rampage86: shows [8s As] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
    flynner06: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
    nsinger said, "asld;kghlaks;dglaksh"
    flynner06 collected 189706 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 189706 | Rake 0
    Board [6h 6d 8h 3c 4h]
    Seat 1: Rampage86 (big blind) showed [8s As] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sixes
    Seat 2: nsinger folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: flynner06 showed [Jd Jh] and won (189706) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
    Seat 4: kramarica12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: tmaling folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: im12yearsOLD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: sabrinaJSU folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Lykan Khan (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: face&gays (small blind) folded before Flop
      

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  2. sean614 sean614 is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 12:55am) in reply to nsinger

    WOW, why, why, why, why, why are you folding that flop????????????????????
  3. nsinger nsinger is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 1:06am) in reply to sean614

    rofl I'll take that as a yes

    Here's my reasoning, all of which is predicated on the villains in the hand being thinking players, as most are when there aren't many left in a deepstack tourney. I'm raising utg and when I fire that flop I'm not doing it w/ ak/aq etc out of position in a four way pot. The smooth call from utg +1 could be a flush draw w/ a hand like aq/aj of hearts or a hand like jj (what he had). Lykan thinks for awhile and folds and then the bb ships it there and what kind of a hand can he have? He has to give both me and utg +1 credit for a hand here. I can absolutely see a hand like 65/67 etc. shipping it here. The other reasonable possibility is that he has a big draw like a straight flush draw or an over w/ a flush draw. So basically I reasoned (incorrectly, as it turned out) that I was either flipping or crushed by the bb and that didn't even take into account utg +1. Also I'll still have 80k which is more than enough to keep going.
      
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  4. Redspade Redspade is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2008 (3/2/2008 1:12am) in reply to nsinger

    man is it just me or is that a horrid shove by A8.....im calling all the time unless rampage is a nit which then he prolly wont be calling with any 6 from the bb.......
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