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  1. PearlJammer PearlJammer is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:23pm)

    Hand #45207713-11 at Tue801pm25KBounty-015 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 07/Aug/07 20:11:38

    Sweet Lou 2 is at seat 0 with 2485.
    PearlJammed is at seat 1 with 2600.
    lock88 is at seat 2 with 2530.
    Vlaco is at seat 3 with 2580.
    Mooknam is at seat 4 with 2595.
    The_Dean221 is at seat 5 with 2450.
    hermesmail is at seat 6 with 2445.
    ToySolder is at seat 7 with 2485.
    acslatah is at seat 8 with 2265.
    FARAKEEH is at seat 9 with 2565.
    The button is at seat 5.

    hermesmail posts the small blind of 5.
    ToySolder posts the big blind of 10.

    Sweet Lou 2: -- --
    PearlJammed: 8d 8c
    lock88: -- --
    Vlaco: -- --
    Mooknam: -- --
    The_Dean221: -- --
    hermesmail: -- --
    ToySolder: -- --
    acslatah: -- --
    FARAKEEH: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    acslatah calls. FARAKEEH calls. Sweet Lou 2 folds.
    PearlJammed raises to 20. lock88 folds. Vlaco
    folds. Mooknam folds. The_Dean221 folds.
    hermesmail folds. ToySolder re-raises to 85.
    acslatah folds. FARAKEEH folds. PearlJammed calls.

    Flop (board: 8h 7h 6c):

    ToySolder bets 195. PearlJammed raises to 575.
    ToySolder calls.

    Turn (board: 8h 7h 6c As):

    ToySolder checks. PearlJammed checks.

    River (board: 8h 7h 6c As Qc):

    ToySolder bets 1345. PearlJammed folds, showing 8d
    8c. ToySolder is returned 1345 (uncalled).

    Hand #45207713-11 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    ToySolder wins 1345.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    The 20 pre-flop was missclick so ignore that, although I do feel it actually helped me to narrow his range here. I figure he SHOULD only have AA / KK / QQ / AK preflop, although I know that's not necessarily true. I figure I can rule out AK on the flop when he calls my reraise, but that MAY not be true either depending on his (unknown) level of play. I figure he doesn't make the bet on the river with KK... so that leaves me with only AA / QQ. Easy fold, right? Or against an unknown should u just never make this laydown? I didn't really think twice before folding it, so maybe I didn't think it through hard enough. I showed hoping he'd show, but meta-game, I realize that's a mistake.
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  2. 2_Towers 2_Towers is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:27pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    QQ
  3. YourTimeIsUp YourTimeIsUp is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:28pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    lol, you are nuts.

    Call and berate him if you lose. bet turn too.
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  4. B_O_K_E B_O_K_E is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:28pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    I never make big lay downs, thats why Im Boke and you are PJ.
     
  5. Crazy Cypriot Crazy Cypriot is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:28pm) in reply to 2_Towers

    yes u are totally nuts ! i d never fold that! nneeeeeeeeeeeever
     
  6. resilient resilient is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:31pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    reminds me of when I saw you agonize over callling with 88833 in monster pot cash game at Bellagio... ;) (1 yr ago this weekend, I'll be there all night again this Sat)... that time you made the right call with 8's full, and probably made an ok fold here... even if you were ahead and laid down the winner, you have such an edge in equity over this field that there's no way it's a bad fold if that is your read...

    P.S. Beth Shak is smokin' on ESPN in the 46suited event....
     
  7. Mr_BigQueso Mr_BigQueso is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:36pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    ^^^^ 2nd that, except i'm not boke, im queso. but you're still PJ
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  8. tekiller tekiller is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:37pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    i dont think u can rule out akhh on that flop dunno if hed river push that tho
  9. Claw1980 Claw1980 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:47pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    never folding against an unknown and am betting turn against most anyone. I think you are givcing the general poker playing public too much credit.
     
  10. TonyBlaze TonyBlaze is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 8:53pm) in reply to B_O_K_E

    Why check the turn? What did this accomplish but make you look weak and give him a free card? You show weakness , perhaps he bets the river thinking he can fold your seemingly weak holding?

    If u bet the turn you have a better read for sure. I feel alot of guys try and take down the pot after that regardless of their hand. I am not buying into a loss here....if it is I personally chalk up a trny set over set to pure cooler.

    PJ you are the Man so I am just curious as to you thought process here on the turn. An unknown could reraise a wide range preflop. If you are unsure don't you have to bet for info??? You didnt have a real chance to define your hand and you fold a set???

    I am not half the player you are soooo.....It must be something more advanced I am not seeing?
     
  11. Mkind16 Mkind16 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:30pm) in reply to Mr_BigQueso

    Ur not crazy, however, I am not queso who is not boke who is not pj, but you're still jon turner.
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  12. BigBadDevil BigBadDevil is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:32pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    absolutely 100% bone-a-fide nutzo.

    but you are also pj.
  13. DaNatural22 DaNatural22 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:36pm) in reply to BigBadDevil

    The only bad play that I see for sure is logging in to UB
  14. Annette_15 Annette_15 is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:43pm) in reply to DaNatural22

    hijack....

    Hand #45209532-21 at PrivEcrew20DH9pm-001 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 07/Aug/07 21:18:15

    wuv puppy is at seat 0 with 1770.
    piermonkey is at seat 1 with 2450.
    EyePlayGoot is at seat 2 with 3255.
    Slim_Schade is at seat 3 with 3065.
    I m Sofa King is at seat 4 with 1750.
    Annette_15 is at seat 5 with 2420.
    feldliss is at seat 6 with 2470.
    Stick-n-Mud is at seat 7 with 2605.
    ole_school is at seat 9 with 2715.
    The button is at seat 2.

    Slim_Schade posts the small blind of 10.
    I m Sofa King posts the big blind of 20.

    wuv puppy: -- --
    piermonkey: -- --
    EyePlayGoot: -- --
    Slim_Schade: -- --
    I m Sofa King: -- --
    Annette_15: Qh Kh
    feldliss: -- --
    Stick-n-Mud: -- --
    ole_school: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    Annette_15 raises to 70. feldliss folds.
    Stick-n-Mud folds. ole_school folds. wuv puppy
    folds. piermonkey folds. EyePlayGoot folds.
    Slim_Schade folds. I m Sofa King calls.

    Flop (board: 5d Ks 4h):

    I m Sofa King checks. Annette_15 bets 100. I m Sofa
    King calls.

    Turn (board: 5d Ks 4h Qs):

    I m Sofa King checks. Annette_15 bets 240. I m Sofa
    King raises to 480. Annette_15 folds. I m Sofa King
    is returned 240 (uncalled).

    I m Sofa King opts to show 4c 4s.
    I m Sofa King has 4c 4s Ks 4h Qs: three fours.

    Hand #45209532-21 Summary:

    No rake is taken for this hand.
    I m Sofa King wins 830.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Im a nit... there, i said it
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  15. PearlJammer PearlJammer is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:51pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    FWIW, toy soldier just informed me I made a good fold, that he had AAA... but who knows for sure
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  16. resilient resilient is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 9:51pm) in reply to Annette_15

    noticed that nittiness at 500k FT... damn, raise a pot for once in your life! ;)
     
  17. PrinceAkeem PrinceAkeem is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 10:05pm) in reply to PearlJammer

    Fold's like this make you better than the rest of us... After reading this I thought maybe he had an over pair like 9/9 or 10/10 with the straight draw but i'm most likely wrong or wishful thinking with a set. GL to you Pearl. Akeem
  18. donniccolo donniccolo is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:02pm) in reply to DaNatural22

    LMFAO re: "the only bad play I see is logging into UB" HAHAHAHA.
  19. RiverRejas RiverRejas is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:05pm) in reply to PrinceAkeem

    loldonkaments
  20. TigersWood TigersWood is offline

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    Aug 7th, 2007 (8/7/2007 11:42pm) in reply to Annette_15

    total hijack but def shows me why im such a super donk...wow, gf_15
  21. taaadaaa taaadaaa is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:00am) in reply to Annette_15

    lol seriously.....a nit....not in a million years would i ever use that word to describe you annette:)
     
  22. SQQTED SQQTED is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:00am) in reply to PearlJammer

    I misread the hand the first time. If you put him on AA you played the hand perfectly. Trust your instinct. The overbet on the river means he has the nuts, or doesn't want a call. IMO he played the hand badly if he wanted a call.
  23. SpauldingSmails SpauldingSmails is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:37am) in reply to Mkind16

    I think the call could be +ev, AK reraises there especially at low limits (probably a wider range of hand given his position)

    i think you'll see floats on that flop with position enough.

    read dependent.

    I don't mind the fold
  24. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 12:50am) in reply to SQQTED

    Why did you show of interest?
  25. boozhwaa boozhwaa is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 1:00am) in reply to PearlJammer

    Yes, but apparently in a mad genius sort of way.
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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 8:13am) in reply to PearlJammer

    There are any number of hands he plays the exact same way.

    - He plays any missed flush draw this way, since you both checked the turn, he represents the ace if he believes he can use it as a scare card since you checked behind on the turn.

    - He plays an underset the same way

    - He plays AK this way potentially, especially AhKh, although most would play for their stack with AhKh on that flop.

    I don't see how long term you can ever like folding a flopped top set to a feared overset on the turn. Your just gonna have to bust me...

    Gl,

    Chris.
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  27. Asiandude7 Asiandude7 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 8:21am) in reply to brsavage

    you are a sick sick man pj
     
  28. djk123 djk123 is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 8:35am) in reply to PearlJammer

    I don't see how this or annette's KQ laydown if that wasn't a misclick or something) could possibly be good.
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  29. JoeBlazenyc JoeBlazenyc is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 10:28am) in reply to Asiandude7

    I think he had AQ
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  30. AAKKMIke AAKKMIke is offline

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    Aug 8th, 2007 (8/8/2007 10:32am) in reply to PearlJammer

    You hit trips 888 on flop into a board that could be yeilding a straight draw. Doubt he has 910 cuz he wouldnt check. You have best hand here and would NEVER fold that.
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